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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6295090" data-attributes="member: 2067">More missing it -- didn't quite understand what you were getting at or why it was a key distinction. Looks like you gave some info here!My experience suggests otherwise. What about combat-as-skill-challenge or Page 42, or <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?1074-4-Elements-at-the-Core-of-4e" target="_blank">4elements</a>?It makes sense that some people would prefer to have a stat block instead of using those tools, but "can't" seems over-stated. And on that same point, wouldn't it make sense that some people would prefer to have a codified mechanism for running the blue-dragon-leads-you-through-a-desert conflict, and that the broad rules for SCs aren't enough? That seems like a vote in favor for a different system than the SC for resolving this conflict, then. If the SC can't capture a specific challenge without being the whole hog, the SC isn't adequate to address my needs.  Pure story material? That's inadequate for my needs. If 5e does that, I'll be disappointed. 2e and 3e gave me some (admittedly lackluster) mechanics to use. I want at LEAST that much. I'd prefer more!</blockquote>