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<blockquote data-quote="KesselZero" data-source="post: 5865850" data-attributes="member: 6689976">I was being a bit off-the-cuff, but honestly, look at those two examples. They both have high boots with stilletto heels, V-shaped waistpieces that reveal the entire upper thigh, chestpieces that cover the breasts and curve down along the ribs but leave the midriff exposed, armbands for the upper arms, something covering the forearms (high gloves or bracers), and axes. The differences are that the manga example has a headband and a little skirt, which actually makes her outfit slightly less revealing than the tiefling's, and that the tiefling has a pouch on her belt.&nbsp;I think the problem with the cartoon is that it doesn't really capture what it intends to. What people object to about the &quot;manga&quot; style in D&amp;D tends to be that it's hyperexaggerated (see the endless debate about the barbarian's huge sword in Wayne Reynolds' Pathfinder art), but this manga example is no more or less exaggerated than the fantastic realism example, except for the eyes I suppose. Her axe is no more disproportionate than the tiefling's, her armor no more revealing.&nbsp;Others have mentioned this already, but I also wish they had gone with a different example of &quot;fantastic realism.&quot; The example used brings up too many arguments about the depiction of women that I don't think are what Schindehette is originally trying to address. I would have much rather seen a triptych of armor that, from left to right, gets less and less wild, improbable, and fantastical. I think that would have supported the article better. Because ultimately, I do like fantastic realism, but I can't support the image from the example since it's such a piece of cheesecake.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KesselZero, post: 5865850, member: 6689976"] I was being a bit off-the-cuff, but honestly, look at those two examples. They both have high boots with stilletto heels, V-shaped waistpieces that reveal the entire upper thigh, chestpieces that cover the breasts and curve down along the ribs but leave the midriff exposed, armbands for the upper arms, something covering the forearms (high gloves or bracers), and axes. The differences are that the manga example has a headband and a little skirt, which actually makes her outfit slightly less revealing than the tiefling's, and that the tiefling has a pouch on her belt. I think the problem with the cartoon is that it doesn't really capture what it intends to. What people object to about the "manga" style in D&D tends to be that it's hyperexaggerated (see the endless debate about the barbarian's huge sword in Wayne Reynolds' Pathfinder art), but this manga example is no more or less exaggerated than the fantastic realism example, except for the eyes I suppose. Her axe is no more disproportionate than the tiefling's, her armor no more revealing. Others have mentioned this already, but I also wish they had gone with a different example of "fantastic realism." The example used brings up too many arguments about the depiction of women that I don't think are what Schindehette is originally trying to address. I would have much rather seen a triptych of armor that, from left to right, gets less and less wild, improbable, and fantastical. I think that would have supported the article better. Because ultimately, I do like fantastic realism, but I can't support the image from the example since it's such a piece of cheesecake. [/QUOTE]

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