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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 849087" data-attributes="member: 1210">Hmm, I mostly like the changes, although I'm dubious of the hold changes. I like the changes to harm- I've been giving a Will save for the damage of an inflict crits for a long time.  I like the change to haste, and since it now affects multiple targets I think it balances out.  I think harm will now be well-balanced with other 6th-level spells.  Despite what some seem to think, the fact that it's a Will save is a winning deal when you stack it up against slay living.  Think about it: who has a poor Will save?BarbariansFightersPaladinsRangersRogues...far more importantly:AnimalsConstructsElementalsGiantsMost humanoidsMagical beastsOozesPlantsVerminThat's 15 classes or types.  Who has a poor Fort save?BardsRoguesSorcerersWizards...for monster types:AberrationsConstructsFeyMost HumanoidsOozesPlantsUndeadThat's 12 classes or types, but for all practical purposes you can take out constructs and undead because slay living doesn't affect them.  So it's really only 10 types that Fort saves are really effective against.Also, most games I've seen just don't use too many fey, and I've never played in a game without tons of magical beasts as enemies, but that's entirely dependent upon the dm's choice in monsters.</blockquote>