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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wik" data-source="post: 5210720" data-attributes="member: 40177">Now where's the fun in THAT!?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  As I've said before, most of what I'm saying is purely in an "academic" sense - I already know a lot of what I'll be doing in my campaign, mining these new ideas on a case by case basis.  And feywild is most likely out.  No, I get that there are small spots.  But it seems like these small spots will be occuring every time the eladrin fey steps, right?  Which means... those small spots will be everywhere that there is a combat happening that includes an eladrin.  Hm.  There seems to be a lot of "Small spots", eh?And then we get into "if they're so small, why make them there at all?" part of the argument.  Why does that oasis need to be its own plane?  Dark Sun has plenty of crazy stuff - to make it stand as somehow apart from Athas kind of belittles the baseline setting.  And for what it's worth, you're taking my quote completely out of context.  I was looking at Rich Baker's blog, who said, flat out "We need to include Eladrin, as we don't want to alienate the guy that always plays an Eladrin", and yet they specificially say they're going to take out the divine power source.  Those are two conflicting statements, which makes me wonder about the logic behind including Eladrin - they were willing to cut out a whole slew of classes, which seem like a much bigger cut... so why Eladrin?They are not equivalent to me.  I think it's obvious that they are not.  So I'm wondering at the logic.  Because it makes no sense, as far as I can see.  And they're not just "adding a race" - I can get behind that.  I would have no problem with that (I never once moaned about the Dragonborn being added - though I did draw the line at Tieflings, for much the same reason as Eladrin).  What I am having a problem with is adding a new planar element to the game that does not really need to be there, to justify the inclusion of a PC race.Imagine if the designers said "we really need to include tieflings in the game, so there's going to have to be a hell.  So, hey, here's the new Abyssal planes in Athas - they're like normal hell, only dialled to 11!".</blockquote>

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