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Dragon 338: Returning to Athas, part1
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<blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5211891" data-attributes="member: 61155"><p>"But we think it’s important for someone who’s new to the D&D game with 4th Edition to find <strong>many/most </strong>of the things they regard as being in the core of the D&D game in the Dark Sun setting"</p><p> </p><p>Right up front, he is saying that not everything needs to be included. Read the entire quote - only one sentence mentions the guy who likes to always play Eladrin. Several more are devoted to the real heart of the matter - that taking familiar races and throwing them into different roles has <em>always</em> been part of the Dark Sun experience, and that is exactly what they are working with here. </p><p> </p><p>And here's the thing, regarding your specific comparison. The absence of Eladrin was never a core part of Dark Sun - just a byproduct of them not existing as a specific race at the time! But the absence of gods <em>is </em>a fundamental to the setting.</p><p> </p><p>Thus, Eladrin can be added in to preserve familiarity without undermining the setting, while the same isn't true for divine characters. Could they have found a way to make it work if they wanted to? Probably. But they felt the element was too central to the setting to do so, and I am fine with that. </p><p> </p><p>I don't have an issue with you questioning the designer's decisions here, or stating that you prefer an Athas without a Feywild. You certainly aren't coming off simply as a hater, but... you also aren't particularly coming off as arguing in good faith. There have already been a <em>lot</em> of good responses in this thread explaining why many people are perfectly happy with an Athasian Feywild, and excited to see it in action. Shrugging those opinions aside while fixating on a single quote of the designer (and ignoring all the other reasons the designer is giving), declaring the opposition's viewpoints for them (saying that wanting to use the Feywild means a DM isn't willing to think outside the box), or making complaints based on information that isn't remotely available to us as of yet (how Eladrin's Fey Step will work) hasn't helped your point much, either.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MrMyth, post: 5211891, member: 61155"] "But we think it’s important for someone who’s new to the D&D game with 4th Edition to find [B]many/most [/B]of the things they regard as being in the core of the D&D game in the Dark Sun setting" Right up front, he is saying that not everything needs to be included. Read the entire quote - only one sentence mentions the guy who likes to always play Eladrin. Several more are devoted to the real heart of the matter - that taking familiar races and throwing them into different roles has [I]always[/I] been part of the Dark Sun experience, and that is exactly what they are working with here. And here's the thing, regarding your specific comparison. The absence of Eladrin was never a core part of Dark Sun - just a byproduct of them not existing as a specific race at the time! But the absence of gods [I]is [/I]a fundamental to the setting. Thus, Eladrin can be added in to preserve familiarity without undermining the setting, while the same isn't true for divine characters. Could they have found a way to make it work if they wanted to? Probably. But they felt the element was too central to the setting to do so, and I am fine with that. I don't have an issue with you questioning the designer's decisions here, or stating that you prefer an Athas without a Feywild. You certainly aren't coming off simply as a hater, but... you also aren't particularly coming off as arguing in good faith. There have already been a [I]lot[/I] of good responses in this thread explaining why many people are perfectly happy with an Athasian Feywild, and excited to see it in action. Shrugging those opinions aside while fixating on a single quote of the designer (and ignoring all the other reasons the designer is giving), declaring the opposition's viewpoints for them (saying that wanting to use the Feywild means a DM isn't willing to think outside the box), or making complaints based on information that isn't remotely available to us as of yet (how Eladrin's Fey Step will work) hasn't helped your point much, either. [/QUOTE]
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