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<blockquote data-quote="Wik" data-source="post: 5213003" data-attributes="member: 40177"><p>I wanted to reply to this because it is a very well put out argument. I disagree with parts of it, but I do appreciate the way it was put forward. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not to be picky, here, but I've always seen the Dark Sun experience as being one where there was a considerable DECLINE in the number of races. Dark Sun, as compared to pretty much every other published campaign setting (except for maybe Birthright, and definitely Jakandor) had a smaller number of races. Which, from my perspective, is awesome. </p><p></p><p>And I read the whole blog post before making my argument. I disagree with how Rich Baker describes the Feywild, because I think it takes away from Athas. But, whatever, I'll ignore it. I am a bit nervous that the monster book is going to make every cool/weird monster "from the feywild", which would bug me. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's a really good way to put it. I can understand that point of view. I don't necessarily agree with it for personal campaigns (there will be no eladrin in my games), but I can understand that belief. I still don't understand the logic of why you can include eladrin for that reason, and then exclude divine magic (why not simply refluff divine, then?), but I can understand where you're coming from. </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm trying. I really am. I know I was a bit abrupt with Moridin - hence my apology. And I've been trying to acknowledge view points. But then, it goes both ways. And there's only so often people can tell you that you're wrong, y'know.... before you start looking at them like they're wrong.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A few points I want to make to defend myself. First, I've been looking at one particular paragraph in a three paragraph post. I have a history degree - this is what we do, when given a small source to work with. From what I've read of that post, I don't like it. </p><p></p><p>The fey step thing wasn't really my main argument, but I dislike teleportation in Dark Sun. It seems to go against the source material, in my mind. But whatever. </p><p></p><p>When did I say that DMs that use the feywild won't think outside the box? I believe I said that the feywild can be the "easy button". And I'm afraid that much of the cool stuff in Dark Sun (a village built over a pool of lava, for example) is going to get shunted over to the feywild. Which I din't like. </p><p></p><p>As for complaints about info... a lot of people have been putting argumetns towards KM and I that are just as assuming. And I don't see a reason why we cna't assume that the Eladrin fey step in Athas will work like it would in any other setting, since a feywild exists and we haven't been told otherwise. </p><p></p><p>Anyways. Good response, and I hope I've made my opinion here clear. But I agree with mkill - let's just let the subject lie, before this gets heated and the thread gets locked. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wik, post: 5213003, member: 40177"] I wanted to reply to this because it is a very well put out argument. I disagree with parts of it, but I do appreciate the way it was put forward. Not to be picky, here, but I've always seen the Dark Sun experience as being one where there was a considerable DECLINE in the number of races. Dark Sun, as compared to pretty much every other published campaign setting (except for maybe Birthright, and definitely Jakandor) had a smaller number of races. Which, from my perspective, is awesome. And I read the whole blog post before making my argument. I disagree with how Rich Baker describes the Feywild, because I think it takes away from Athas. But, whatever, I'll ignore it. I am a bit nervous that the monster book is going to make every cool/weird monster "from the feywild", which would bug me. That's a really good way to put it. I can understand that point of view. I don't necessarily agree with it for personal campaigns (there will be no eladrin in my games), but I can understand that belief. I still don't understand the logic of why you can include eladrin for that reason, and then exclude divine magic (why not simply refluff divine, then?), but I can understand where you're coming from. I'm trying. I really am. I know I was a bit abrupt with Moridin - hence my apology. And I've been trying to acknowledge view points. But then, it goes both ways. And there's only so often people can tell you that you're wrong, y'know.... before you start looking at them like they're wrong. A few points I want to make to defend myself. First, I've been looking at one particular paragraph in a three paragraph post. I have a history degree - this is what we do, when given a small source to work with. From what I've read of that post, I don't like it. The fey step thing wasn't really my main argument, but I dislike teleportation in Dark Sun. It seems to go against the source material, in my mind. But whatever. When did I say that DMs that use the feywild won't think outside the box? I believe I said that the feywild can be the "easy button". And I'm afraid that much of the cool stuff in Dark Sun (a village built over a pool of lava, for example) is going to get shunted over to the feywild. Which I din't like. As for complaints about info... a lot of people have been putting argumetns towards KM and I that are just as assuming. And I don't see a reason why we cna't assume that the Eladrin fey step in Athas will work like it would in any other setting, since a feywild exists and we haven't been told otherwise. Anyways. Good response, and I hope I've made my opinion here clear. But I agree with mkill - let's just let the subject lie, before this gets heated and the thread gets locked. :) [/QUOTE]
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