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<blockquote data-quote="Testament" data-source="post: 3902610" data-attributes="member: 21833"><p>OK, now I'm really confused. People choosing X and Y feat/skill combos is more an issue with the players than the classes. And how the heck the class system was EVER able to represent classic characters from fiction and myth is completely beyond me. You say you wouldn't want to classes reduced to pure Jung, but everything else you say suggests to me that you do.</p><p></p><p>Did you ever consider that maybe they've contnued to create new base classes because the first ones were well recieved? Nomenclature is another matter altogether, but I don't think its just for mechanical reasons that lots of people, myself included, replaced the normal fighter with Warblade and called it the Warrior or something similar from there on in.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This has always struck me as ridiculous, I'm sorry, but thats how I see it. What D&D is is such a nebulous and subjective notion that calls of "its not D&D anymore" just come across as the bitter tears of jaded grognards who've been left behind by ever-changing notions of fantasy and game development.</p><p></p><p>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>I've said it before and I'll say it again, because it bears repeating in these sorts of discussions: I started on 3rd Edition. I'm 24 years old and have no table-time experience with any edition from before. I look at the books for older editions and see mechanical atrocities of design and most of the art makes me laugh more than anything else, especially 1st edition. I have no sentimental attachment of any kind to the previous editions. I've never read Leiber or Moorcock, have found their books almost nowhere, and hadn't even heard of either until I started visiting sites like this. I thought the LotR films were infinitely superior entertainment to the books, I play WoW (FOR THE HORDE! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> ), watch Anime and read comics and Manga. Fact is, I'm 99.9% sure that I'm the audience for late 3.X and 4th edition, not Grognards. The history of D&D and its so-called traditions are just so much dead wood to me. ANYTHING I say in a debate like this should be viewed in light of that fact.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Testament, post: 3902610, member: 21833"] OK, now I'm really confused. People choosing X and Y feat/skill combos is more an issue with the players than the classes. And how the heck the class system was EVER able to represent classic characters from fiction and myth is completely beyond me. You say you wouldn't want to classes reduced to pure Jung, but everything else you say suggests to me that you do. Did you ever consider that maybe they've contnued to create new base classes because the first ones were well recieved? Nomenclature is another matter altogether, but I don't think its just for mechanical reasons that lots of people, myself included, replaced the normal fighter with Warblade and called it the Warrior or something similar from there on in. This has always struck me as ridiculous, I'm sorry, but thats how I see it. What D&D is is such a nebulous and subjective notion that calls of "its not D&D anymore" just come across as the bitter tears of jaded grognards who've been left behind by ever-changing notions of fantasy and game development. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've said it before and I'll say it again, because it bears repeating in these sorts of discussions: I started on 3rd Edition. I'm 24 years old and have no table-time experience with any edition from before. I look at the books for older editions and see mechanical atrocities of design and most of the art makes me laugh more than anything else, especially 1st edition. I have no sentimental attachment of any kind to the previous editions. I've never read Leiber or Moorcock, have found their books almost nowhere, and hadn't even heard of either until I started visiting sites like this. I thought the LotR films were infinitely superior entertainment to the books, I play WoW (FOR THE HORDE! ;) ), watch Anime and read comics and Manga. Fact is, I'm 99.9% sure that I'm the audience for late 3.X and 4th edition, not Grognards. The history of D&D and its so-called traditions are just so much dead wood to me. ANYTHING I say in a debate like this should be viewed in light of that fact. [/QUOTE]
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