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<blockquote data-quote="demonsquidgod" data-source="post: 4583841" data-attributes="member: 70012">I have always hated the Infinite planes idea. It is mutually exclusive with many other key concepts in the game. If there are an infinite number of demons and an infinite number of devils than every time a book tells me that the devils use their superior tactics to keep up with the demon's overwhelming numbers it's a lie because they have the same number of troops. And when the books tell me that eight of the nine lords must lend legions of their armies to supplement the armies of the first layer of hell than that must also be a lie because the first layer would have an infinite number of legions to begin with and would never need reinforcements. There are too many other instances where the rest of the fluff clearly works from the idea of finite numbers and areas. They say the planes are infinite but they never really extrapolate their ideas from that basis. It always felt tacked on.Plus, infinite planes make for a static universe. If there are an infinite number of demons and devils the bloodwar will never end. It doesn't even make sense.&nbsp; You could defeat them with some kind of uber reality warp spell but it is impossible to have any effect at all by physical warfare. Similarly the forces of good could never defeat the forces of evil. And, really, the amount of room I have to play with as a worldbuilder is the same. Just because they say there's a limit doesn't mean you know where it is. But it does mean that there's vague hope that maybe if you raised an army that was large enough and unbelievably powerful enough you could storm the gates of hell itself and win.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="demonsquidgod, post: 4583841, member: 70012"] I have always hated the Infinite planes idea. It is mutually exclusive with many other key concepts in the game. If there are an infinite number of demons and an infinite number of devils than every time a book tells me that the devils use their superior tactics to keep up with the demon's overwhelming numbers it's a lie because they have the same number of troops. And when the books tell me that eight of the nine lords must lend legions of their armies to supplement the armies of the first layer of hell than that must also be a lie because the first layer would have an infinite number of legions to begin with and would never need reinforcements. There are too many other instances where the rest of the fluff clearly works from the idea of finite numbers and areas. They say the planes are infinite but they never really extrapolate their ideas from that basis. It always felt tacked on. Plus, infinite planes make for a static universe. If there are an infinite number of demons and devils the bloodwar will never end. It doesn't even make sense. You could defeat them with some kind of uber reality warp spell but it is impossible to have any effect at all by physical warfare. Similarly the forces of good could never defeat the forces of evil. And, really, the amount of room I have to play with as a worldbuilder is the same. Just because they say there's a limit doesn't mean you know where it is. But it does mean that there's vague hope that maybe if you raised an army that was large enough and unbelievably powerful enough you could s torm the gates of hell itself and win. [/QUOTE]

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