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<blockquote data-quote="AdmundfortGeographer" data-source="post: 4587438" data-attributes="member: 4682"><p>I don't pay for Dragon and Dungeon, and I probably won't buy 4e MotP. Can someone tell me if the article, of the book, leave room for published settings to add on to the World Axis when the case needs it? Or to alter the World Axis planes when the case calls for it?</p><p></p><p>Drifting back to squeezing the Athas square peg into a World Axis round hole. I think I can explain the presence of nearly everything in the World Axis as being part of Athas' setting.</p><p></p><p><strong>The Shadowfell</strong>: It's the Gray. As I recall, doesn't an excerpt from the MotP even say The Gray is one of the many names for Shadowfell? Slight descriptive change and boom, done.</p><p></p><p><strong>Astral Sea</strong>: Astral Plane and the Outer Planes were there in 2e products. The Githyanki invasion from the <em>Black Spine</em> adventure came through a crack in the planar/dimensional barrier, they had to come from someplace.</p><p></p><p><strong>Elemental Chaos</strong>: <em>Earth, Air, Fire, and Water</em> (the Dark Sun cleric book) very much described as places characters could walk around. They don't get there except at high levels and through a method that gives them some protection against inhospitable heat. No infinite earth or fire. However, if we can work in some descriptive changes to the cosmology, the Elemental Chaos could give us room for the paraelemental planes of Magma, Rain, Silt, and Sun. The thing is though, the elemental lords of Air, Earth, Fire, and Water, were (more or less) "good guys" fighting The Wasting, and extending The Wasting empowers the masters of the paraelements. So if 4e primordials could be divided into "beneficial" guys (air, earth, fire, water) and "bad" guys (magma, rain, silt, sun) all battling over ground in the Elemental Chaos, then we have a nice 4e fit for Athas.</p><p></p><p><strong>Feywild</strong>: As long as I could say the Feywild was only accessed in the heart of druid groves, then I'd be mostly fine. But as soon as someone can setup a method to cross into the faerie realm of wooded bounty, you instantly have access to resources you could return with and become instantly wealthy. Feywild would need to be either blocked off from Athas like the rest of the multiverse was so as to prevent plane hopping adventurers from returning with heaps of gold and metal (in Feywild's case, wood and food) and becoming the next dynastic merchant house in one swoop. Or Feywild would need to be drastically altered in description to be nearly unrecognizable as other settings experience it. Will World Axis allow for such a descriptive change? Or allow Feywild to be cut off as definitively as the Outer Planes were in 2e?</p><p></p><p>What about Athas' <strong>The Black</strong>: Shadowfell would become The Gray. But The Black is a pretty significant part of Athas as the domain of the Shadow Giants, the (eventual) prison of Andropinis, and the location where The Hollow (Rajaat's prison) is found. Does the World Axis allow published setting to invent something to tack on when a world's cosmology calls for it? If so, then again, there is room for World Axis in Athas.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AdmundfortGeographer, post: 4587438, member: 4682"] I don't pay for Dragon and Dungeon, and I probably won't buy 4e MotP. Can someone tell me if the article, of the book, leave room for published settings to add on to the World Axis when the case needs it? Or to alter the World Axis planes when the case calls for it? Drifting back to squeezing the Athas square peg into a World Axis round hole. I think I can explain the presence of nearly everything in the World Axis as being part of Athas' setting. [b]The Shadowfell[/B]: It's the Gray. As I recall, doesn't an excerpt from the MotP even say The Gray is one of the many names for Shadowfell? Slight descriptive change and boom, done. [B]Astral Sea[/B]: Astral Plane and the Outer Planes were there in 2e products. The Githyanki invasion from the [I]Black Spine[/I] adventure came through a crack in the planar/dimensional barrier, they had to come from someplace. [B]Elemental Chaos[/B]: [I]Earth, Air, Fire, and Water[/I] (the Dark Sun cleric book) very much described as places characters could walk around. They don't get there except at high levels and through a method that gives them some protection against inhospitable heat. No infinite earth or fire. However, if we can work in some descriptive changes to the cosmology, the Elemental Chaos could give us room for the paraelemental planes of Magma, Rain, Silt, and Sun. The thing is though, the elemental lords of Air, Earth, Fire, and Water, were (more or less) "good guys" fighting The Wasting, and extending The Wasting empowers the masters of the paraelements. So if 4e primordials could be divided into "beneficial" guys (air, earth, fire, water) and "bad" guys (magma, rain, silt, sun) all battling over ground in the Elemental Chaos, then we have a nice 4e fit for Athas. [B]Feywild[/B]: As long as I could say the Feywild was only accessed in the heart of druid groves, then I'd be mostly fine. But as soon as someone can setup a method to cross into the faerie realm of wooded bounty, you instantly have access to resources you could return with and become instantly wealthy. Feywild would need to be either blocked off from Athas like the rest of the multiverse was so as to prevent plane hopping adventurers from returning with heaps of gold and metal (in Feywild's case, wood and food) and becoming the next dynastic merchant house in one swoop. Or Feywild would need to be drastically altered in description to be nearly unrecognizable as other settings experience it. Will World Axis allow for such a descriptive change? Or allow Feywild to be cut off as definitively as the Outer Planes were in 2e? What about Athas' [B]The Black[/B]: Shadowfell would become The Gray. But The Black is a pretty significant part of Athas as the domain of the Shadow Giants, the (eventual) prison of Andropinis, and the location where The Hollow (Rajaat's prison) is found. Does the World Axis allow published setting to invent something to tack on when a world's cosmology calls for it? If so, then again, there is room for World Axis in Athas. [/QUOTE]
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