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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 4591702" data-attributes="member: 8158">I like that interpretation of the controller role a lot better. I actually have long thought that the rogue would have made the ideal martial controller, serving in exactly the capacity you describe: the guy who harasses enemies with his little bag of dirty tricks and traps. While I saw the 3e rogue as being a major improvement upon the thief of preivous editions, I also noticed that a lot of the folks playing the character were the very kind of players that hated sneakyness. They liked the damage output, didn't care about anything else. And carrying the rogue over into the striker perpetuated the archetype of the rogue as a little knife-wielding nuker. In my personal version of the D&D movie, the knight shouldn't be hollering desperately for the halfling to come over and stab the dragon in its back to finish it off. My ideal rogue would be handy with a blade, but he'd also be the guy tossing out caltrops, smoke bombs, and the like. Tripping and strangling and gouging as well as alpha-striking. Maybe I'll sit down and write it up someday. It's probably better than it sounds.</blockquote>