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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rechan" data-source="post: 4592122" data-attributes="member: 54846">From the way interpret things? I'm not talking about Farmer Joe that in general gives proper reverence to Pelor, but occasionally will give a nice thank-you to the Nature Deity when it comes time for planting or harvest. Farmer Joe is giving respect and tribute. He is, to put it another way, writing a thank-you card or a request to that deity, submitting it to a clerk, and hoping that it eventually makes its way up to the big guy's desk and that the God will be nice enough to agree to it, or accept Joe's thank-you letter.I'm talking about Invoker Bob who prays to Pelor, who Pelor gives direct power. Invoker Bob is directly calling Pelor and saying "Hey, send an air-strike down here, ASAP" or "Hey, gimmie some divine juice right now to re-attach my friend's arm." I determine a big, fat, bold line between tribute and respect and tangible, irrefutable, immediate magical power. Pelor isn't faxing down any divine purification when Farmer Joe says grace - Joe can still die of food poisoning or choke to death on his food, after all. But he is faxing down that divine mojo on behalf of the Invoker. So they are different.In Real World pantheons, priests aren't calling down flame from the heavens with their voice with immediate, quantifiable results. They aren't healing people with the snap of their fingers in an instant, and none can deny it. They are asking very nicely if the God might intervene in some hopeful fashion, and that maybe fate will work out in their favor. The same way that Farmer Joe is asking for a good harvest. It's not the same as "BAM, I rose you from the dead."It flabbergasts me that the two are being considered as the same.Given that I draw this distinction, my issue is that the Invoker can just call up any God he pleases and get divine interventione/power, and this just isn't a problem with any of the other Gods. Not only that, but he has no repercussions, he doesn't have to give anything; the Cleric has to dedicate himself to that God, or that church, or whatever, but the Invoker? He is beholden to no God.</blockquote>

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