Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rechan" data-source="post: 4592446" data-attributes="member: 54846">[sblock]I did, before I read the designer's comments. My first post (back on page 1) I said:The main thing I disliked was how they're all 'old school' and the emphasis was on the Primordials battle. When I first read it, I was instead envisioning Invokers as prophets, operating outside the church, the ones who live alone on a hill and then come and nail a letter to the church door, or stomp up to a Pharaoh with divine justice in their eyes. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I actually don't like the PHB fluff for clerics either. As I said earlier, I dislike the 'Clerics don't really have any connection with their god; their powers are endowed by a little ritual another cleric grants, and then the cleric's power can't be revoked or has no reprecussions from their god'. For instance, a cleric of Pelor using his prayers to kill babies, and Pelor getting no real say in that. I personally don't see clerics the way you do, mired in Church Bureaucracy and seeing it all as just ritual rather than a personal diefic connection. I personally find it difficult to be a getting divine power from a god if you don't have a personal connection to them. (This is different from archivists, mind you).But I still like my preference for Invokers being more concerned with lower rung groups; Angelic Choirs, Exarchs/Demi-Gods/Saints, Arch Devils/Demon Princes, etc. Or possibly the Archivist's method of stealing power (although, they suck as Archivists; no dark knowledge powers).I know you didn't state it. But that was the impression I was getting from you and a few others. Sorry I accused you of it. Words lack Tone, and that's pretty significant.Thanks for that parenthesis bit. I do appreciate it.My one problem with this is that what defines a "pantheon"? Does every god exist in the pantheon?There are a lot of things that the existing gods in The Pantheon don't have dominion over, that doesn't fit in their portfolio. So that means that either no one is responsible for this thing, a God in the pantheon control it and no one acknowledges it, or something else is responsible for it.If Something Else is responsible for it, then you have to define it. Either as a God, or something Else, and you need to figure out what that Else is.Suddenly, you have to mark everything down and make a bunch of more Gods. Or you need to give Pelor dominion over doors and cook fires, or wine, or any other minor things that people would want to pray about, so that everything under the sun has some reperesentation by the Gods.And then you have things like Demi-Gods, Demon Princes/Arch Angels/Archfey, Primoridals, Ancestors, Spirits... do they fit in the pantheon?Or, what if Culture A thinks that God 1 is responsible for Portfolio X, but Culture B and C have God 1 (by another name) who is not responsible for X (they don't even HAVE X.) Is God 1 now responsible for X, and Culture B and C don't know it? Or is something Else responsible?Or what happens when you have a situation where Pelor is the God of the Sun, and he's a good god. But this culture over here, they think the God of the Sun is evil and he does terrible things; is Pelor really a bad guy to some people and a good guy to others? Or if it's just an Evil god being re-interpreted, then how come Pelor is letting him represent the Sun?Now your pantheon is really freaking bloated. Sure, it may be on par with historical real world religions, but it's really not neat or tidy or easy to work with.It comes off as a big muddled mess.[/sblock]</blockquote>

Verification