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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5406605" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>Uhm...sooo you just created specific mechanics for it (a ritual)?? How does this solve the problem...and really I hate this sort of passive denial. Yes...but, the price is too high and you don't have the specific knowledge necessary... equates to "No"... so why not just be honest and say no? </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>IMO good mechanics, when tied to the world, can make this type of inconsistency (this only works when I do it to villains??) and passive denial (on the DM's part) unnecessary. For me, some of these punishments shouldn't be attainable just through description in heroic tier... and a few even seem like they would be soleley punishments only epic heroes should have the power to meet out. A good rules framework is what I want so that I can implement my own ideas... not ideas that I have tofigure out how to implement mechanically.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>And that is great for your personal home game... but honestly... "ideas" are a dime a dozen, IMO. It is the "good" implementation of ideas into the rules set that most pay for. If your answer is just handwave it... well you can decide to do that regardless of whether there are actual rules or not... I dont think the WotC rules police will force you to use things you don't want to. However, having to create a rules structure for "ideas" that I paid for is not something I, or I would bet many other older gamers, have time for.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Well taking this logic to an extreme... you really don't need rules at all... the DM can just adjudicate everything... But again I don't think most people want to pay for ideas without implementation. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>So we don't give them enough credit... yet we have an article of ideas that most of us could've thought up when we were like 12... and no mechanical implementation. That's the hard part, not imagining or stealing from media punishments for villains, but figuring out a way to implement it into the game in a balanced and fair way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 5406605, member: 48965"] Uhm...sooo you just created specific mechanics for it (a ritual)?? How does this solve the problem...and really I hate this sort of passive denial. Yes...but, the price is too high and you don't have the specific knowledge necessary... equates to "No"... so why not just be honest and say no? IMO good mechanics, when tied to the world, can make this type of inconsistency (this only works when I do it to villains??) and passive denial (on the DM's part) unnecessary. For me, some of these punishments shouldn't be attainable just through description in heroic tier... and a few even seem like they would be soleley punishments only epic heroes should have the power to meet out. A good rules framework is what I want so that I can implement my own ideas... not ideas that I have tofigure out how to implement mechanically. And that is great for your personal home game... but honestly... "ideas" are a dime a dozen, IMO. It is the "good" implementation of ideas into the rules set that most pay for. If your answer is just handwave it... well you can decide to do that regardless of whether there are actual rules or not... I dont think the WotC rules police will force you to use things you don't want to. However, having to create a rules structure for "ideas" that I paid for is not something I, or I would bet many other older gamers, have time for. Well taking this logic to an extreme... you really don't need rules at all... the DM can just adjudicate everything... But again I don't think most people want to pay for ideas without implementation. So we don't give them enough credit... yet we have an article of ideas that most of us could've thought up when we were like 12... and no mechanical implementation. That's the hard part, not imagining or stealing from media punishments for villains, but figuring out a way to implement it into the game in a balanced and fair way. [/QUOTE]
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