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<blockquote data-quote="lancealot501" data-source="post: 6249816" data-attributes="member: 6741016"><p>I recently got the Draconomicon, and came upon the dragon as PC characters. Thinking that this would be a good idea, I started creating one. The problem I came up with is that they seem week in comparison to other party members. Just an important note, we would be playing a low level campaign (4-14). To test the book out, I created a wyrmling white dragon. Looking up appropriate values in the monster manual, it basic stats would be:</p><p></p><p>HP:3d12+3 (22) AC:14(+2 size, +2 Natural) STR:11 DEX:10 CON:13 INT:6 WIS:11 CHA:6 BAB:+3 SIZE: Tiny</p><p>Attacks: Claws +5 (1d3+1), Bite +5 (1d4+1), Breath 1d6(DC 12)</p><p>+dragon traits, 2 feats</p><p></p><p>According to the Draconomicon, this would make the dragon ECL 5. I decided to see if it wasn't that bad and had it fight my lvl 4 monk without using furry of blows. After trying 5 times the score was Monk 5 Dragon 0. My first impression was that I just had a really good monk, so I had it fight a standard wolf. In our last session (lvl 4 team), every character, could take down a wolf and be better off (except the wizard who got hit before hand). Though the dragon could take down the would, It wasn't in the best of shape to take on another one.</p><p></p><p>I believe I read the MM and Draconomicon correctly, but does this mean that a dragon would be useless to the team even though he is 1 ECL above everyone, or is it because we are at a low level?</p><p></p><p>Also I haven't read it all yet but could by dragon use magical items like everyone else from the MIC, or is there a special list for dragon's to use. Also, if I can't then what should I use my gold on (DM will give me 5400 just like everyone else). If worse comes to worse, I'll find a way to use it as a bed at nighttime. Thanks for all those that can help me out.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lancealot501, post: 6249816, member: 6741016"] I recently got the Draconomicon, and came upon the dragon as PC characters. Thinking that this would be a good idea, I started creating one. The problem I came up with is that they seem week in comparison to other party members. Just an important note, we would be playing a low level campaign (4-14). To test the book out, I created a wyrmling white dragon. Looking up appropriate values in the monster manual, it basic stats would be: HP:3d12+3 (22) AC:14(+2 size, +2 Natural) STR:11 DEX:10 CON:13 INT:6 WIS:11 CHA:6 BAB:+3 SIZE: Tiny Attacks: Claws +5 (1d3+1), Bite +5 (1d4+1), Breath 1d6(DC 12) +dragon traits, 2 feats According to the Draconomicon, this would make the dragon ECL 5. I decided to see if it wasn't that bad and had it fight my lvl 4 monk without using furry of blows. After trying 5 times the score was Monk 5 Dragon 0. My first impression was that I just had a really good monk, so I had it fight a standard wolf. In our last session (lvl 4 team), every character, could take down a wolf and be better off (except the wizard who got hit before hand). Though the dragon could take down the would, It wasn't in the best of shape to take on another one. I believe I read the MM and Draconomicon correctly, but does this mean that a dragon would be useless to the team even though he is 1 ECL above everyone, or is it because we are at a low level? Also I haven't read it all yet but could by dragon use magical items like everyone else from the MIC, or is there a special list for dragon's to use. Also, if I can't then what should I use my gold on (DM will give me 5400 just like everyone else). If worse comes to worse, I'll find a way to use it as a bed at nighttime. Thanks for all those that can help me out. [/QUOTE]
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