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<blockquote data-quote="Squire James" data-source="post: 324293" data-attributes="member: 548">I'm not sure how accurate the term &quot;dragon bile&quot; is, but if it means the same thing to a human that it does to a human I think that means you're removing the dragon's gall bladder.&nbsp; That's not a terribly big organ...I'd say a size S or smaller dragon will not yield enough for a single dose.&nbsp; A size M would yield 1 dose, 2 doses for size L, 4 for size H, 8 for size G, and 16 for size C.&nbsp; It is entirely possible that the stuff comes from another organ, or doesn't come from dragons at all.&nbsp; For now, I will assume it really does come from a dragon's gall bladder (and that dragons have one!).Knowing what to remove would be a (estimated) DC 25 Knowledge [poisons] check the first time someone tries to do this.&nbsp; If the check fails, the character has to wait until his skill goes up, or some circumstance like reading a book on dragon anatomy, to retry.Crafting the poison would use the usual Crafting rules with Craft DC 30, except the crafter does not have to pay for raw materials.&nbsp; The organ IS the raw materials (each potential dose has a market value of 1500 gp, or a sell value of 750 gp).&nbsp; Missing a roll by 5 or more ruins 1 potential dose of poison.&nbsp; This market value should be considered &quot;treasure&quot; if the DM thinks the players are going to do this sort of thing.&nbsp; I'd consider giving &quot;standard&quot; rather than &quot;double standard&quot; treasure.I'd probably &quot;rule 0&quot; the crafting process (the standard rules really only work on weapons and armor) to make the crafting time of someone who gets exactly 30 on their checks about a week.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Squire James, post: 324293, member: 548"] I'm not sure how accurate the term "dragon bile" is, but if it means the same thing to a human that it does to a human I think that means you're removing the dragon's gall bladder. That's not a terribly big organ... I'd say a size S or smaller dragon will not yield enough for a single dose. A size M would yield 1 dose, 2 doses for size L, 4 for size H, 8 for size G, and 16 for size C. It is entirely possible that the stuff comes from another organ, or doesn't come from dragons at all. For now, I will assume it really does come from a dragon's gall bladder (and that dragons have one!). Knowing what to remove would be a (estimated) DC 25 Knowledge [poisons] check the first time someone tries to do this. If the check fails, the character has to wait until his skill goes up, or some circumstance like reading a book on dragon anatomy, to retry. Crafting the poison would use the usual Crafting rules with Craft DC 30, except the crafter does not have to pay for raw materials. The organ IS the raw materials (each potential dose has a market value of 1500 gp, or a sell value of 750 gp). Missing a roll by 5 or more ruins 1 potential dose of poison. This market value should be considered "treasure" if the DM thinks the players are going to do this sort of thing. I'd consider giving "standard" rather than "double standard" treasure. I'd probably "rule 0" the crafting process (the standard rules really only work on weapons and armor) to make the crafting time of someone who gets exactly 30 on their checks about a week. [/QUOTE]

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