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<blockquote data-quote="monboesen" data-source="post: 3496243" data-attributes="member: 4647"><p>Ok. You want the class to be balanced and workable with other normal D&D classes. IMO (and as I read it that goes for the majority of repliers) your class as it stands isn't.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It has several problems.</p><p></p><p>1. Too good at too many things (Full BAB, a very dangerous dragon companion and a great spell list is not balanced). It doesn’t promote team play and can lead to the point where one player gets to much “screen time”. As for the spells, there is a reason paladins and rangers have short spell list with only a few good spells. The spell list also lacks some sort of "theme", for instance a paladins spells list pretty much includes healing, some protection and a little self buffing, a rangers some animal and plant stuff, minor healing and a little selfbuffing. Your spell list looks like a raid down the PHB looking for the best spells.</p><p></p><p>2. Compared to other classes your class is weak (actually very weak) at low levels, and very strong at high levels (or rather the dragon is very strong). That’s a sign of poor balance that the designers tried to weed out of 3ed (they didn't entirely succeed). Your class needs something more at lower levels and something less at high levels.</p><p></p><p>3. Even though you like it, removing money and items is a poor way of balancing a class. Money and items are an important part of D&D and it is nearly impossible to compare your class to others if it by design has less wealth, I know you mean the dragon to make up for the lost items, but how do you calculate how many GP the dragon is worth? (I absolutely loathe the D&D reliance on magic items and won’t ever again play by that rule set. But I did try it out thoroughly. With and without standard wealth. Without the game pretty much broke down at level 9+).</p><p></p><p>4. Random dragon assignment. How is it fun to roll a white dragon for your lawful good dragon bound. You are now stuck with an inherently evil and selfish creature that opposes all your ethics and if it dies you suffer immensely. And even if you are a chaotic evil bastard yourself it still sucks, compared to the guy who by chance got a red dragon and can ride it three levels earlier than you (9th level vs. 12th). To make matters worse his dragon is just better in almost every way possible.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The class most comparable to yours is the ranger. Both has full BAB, a pet (animal companion vs. dragon) and spells. </p><p></p><p>1. The dragon bound’s pet (dragon) is so much better than the rangers that a comparison is pointless. Advantage dragon bound (by a LOT).</p><p></p><p>2. The dragon bound’s spell list is far superior to the rangers. Advantage dragon bound (again by a LOT).</p><p></p><p>3. The ranger has more skill points and a better skill list. But the dragon bound’s dragon excels at many of the skills that the ranger does (perception skills) and is a very competent scout. About even.</p><p></p><p>4. Both get 1d8 HP. Even</p><p></p><p>5. Both get 2 good saves. Even</p><p></p><p>6. The ranger gets some free feats, the dragon bound doesn’t. Advantage ranger.</p><p></p><p>7. The ranger gets some good, but situational, class abilities. The dragon bound gets good class abilities and a free magic weapon. Advantage dragon bound (but not by much).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As you can probably guess IMO something has to go. It could be the full BAB, it could be a MAJOR toning down of the dragon or it could be a smaller toning down of the dragon and loosing the spells.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This will be my last post on this thread. So good luck with the work.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="monboesen, post: 3496243, member: 4647"] Ok. You want the class to be balanced and workable with other normal D&D classes. IMO (and as I read it that goes for the majority of repliers) your class as it stands isn't. It has several problems. 1. Too good at too many things (Full BAB, a very dangerous dragon companion and a great spell list is not balanced). It doesn’t promote team play and can lead to the point where one player gets to much “screen time”. As for the spells, there is a reason paladins and rangers have short spell list with only a few good spells. The spell list also lacks some sort of "theme", for instance a paladins spells list pretty much includes healing, some protection and a little self buffing, a rangers some animal and plant stuff, minor healing and a little selfbuffing. Your spell list looks like a raid down the PHB looking for the best spells. 2. Compared to other classes your class is weak (actually very weak) at low levels, and very strong at high levels (or rather the dragon is very strong). That’s a sign of poor balance that the designers tried to weed out of 3ed (they didn't entirely succeed). Your class needs something more at lower levels and something less at high levels. 3. Even though you like it, removing money and items is a poor way of balancing a class. Money and items are an important part of D&D and it is nearly impossible to compare your class to others if it by design has less wealth, I know you mean the dragon to make up for the lost items, but how do you calculate how many GP the dragon is worth? (I absolutely loathe the D&D reliance on magic items and won’t ever again play by that rule set. But I did try it out thoroughly. With and without standard wealth. Without the game pretty much broke down at level 9+). 4. Random dragon assignment. How is it fun to roll a white dragon for your lawful good dragon bound. You are now stuck with an inherently evil and selfish creature that opposes all your ethics and if it dies you suffer immensely. And even if you are a chaotic evil bastard yourself it still sucks, compared to the guy who by chance got a red dragon and can ride it three levels earlier than you (9th level vs. 12th). To make matters worse his dragon is just better in almost every way possible. The class most comparable to yours is the ranger. Both has full BAB, a pet (animal companion vs. dragon) and spells. 1. The dragon bound’s pet (dragon) is so much better than the rangers that a comparison is pointless. Advantage dragon bound (by a LOT). 2. The dragon bound’s spell list is far superior to the rangers. Advantage dragon bound (again by a LOT). 3. The ranger has more skill points and a better skill list. But the dragon bound’s dragon excels at many of the skills that the ranger does (perception skills) and is a very competent scout. About even. 4. Both get 1d8 HP. Even 5. Both get 2 good saves. Even 6. The ranger gets some free feats, the dragon bound doesn’t. Advantage ranger. 7. The ranger gets some good, but situational, class abilities. The dragon bound gets good class abilities and a free magic weapon. Advantage dragon bound (but not by much). As you can probably guess IMO something has to go. It could be the full BAB, it could be a MAJOR toning down of the dragon or it could be a smaller toning down of the dragon and loosing the spells. This will be my last post on this thread. So good luck with the work. [/QUOTE]
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