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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5271995" data-attributes="member: 4937">However?&nbsp; Only?Seriously, what non-unique monster in the MM do you see with more than 88 hit points?&nbsp; To get 88 hit points on average required like 19 HD.&nbsp; How many 19 HD monsters do you see in the manual.&nbsp; Nor are there a whole lot of monsters with more than 'AC 21'.&nbsp; And keep in mind that while its HD is 'only' 11, the tables only go up to 16th HD, and it gains saving throws on the basis of it's hit points (one effective HD per 4 hit points, IIRC, so 22nd level for the purpose of saves).&nbsp; Seriously, you are dealing with a situation where a 15th level M-U probably has 30 hp.&nbsp; It's claw/claw/bite reutine does on average like 25 hp of damage.&nbsp; It's breath weapon does 44 damage even on a save.&nbsp; How long do you think a party can take that sort of damage?&nbsp; High HD dragons had to die almost immediately or they would wipe the whole party.You can't directly compare the numbers in 3rd edition to the numbers in 1st edition, because unless you had a totally twinked out munchin game, the numbers associated with PC's were so so much smaller than in the modern game.&nbsp; Tenth level was 'high level'.&nbsp; Having 50 hit points was 'a lot of hit points' for a PC, especially pre Unearthed Arcana when the first round of power creep hit.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 5271995, member: 4937"] However? Only? Seriously, what non-unique monster in the MM do you see with more than 88 hit points? To get 88 hit points on average required like 19 HD. How many 19 HD monsters do you see in the manual. Nor are there a whole lot of monsters with more than 'AC 21'. And keep in mind that while its HD is 'only' 11, the tables only go up to 16th HD, and it gains saving throws on the basis of it's hit points (one effective HD per 4 hit points, IIRC, so 22nd level for the purpose of saves). Seriously, you are dealing with a situation where a 15th level M-U probably has 30 hp. It's claw/claw/bite reutine does on average like 25 hp of damage. It's breath weapon does 44 damage even on a save. How long do you think a party can take that sort of damage? High HD dragons had to die almost immediately or they would wipe the whole party. You can't directly compare the numbers in 3rd edition to the numbers in 1st edition, because unless you had a totally twinked out munchin game, the numbers associated with PC's were so so much smaller than in the modern game. Tenth level was 'high level'. Having 50 hit points was 'a lot of hit points' for a PC, especially pre Unearthed Arcana when the first round of power creep hit. [/QUOTE]

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