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Message: <blockquote data-quote="malkav666" data-source="post: 4934940" data-attributes="member: 70565">@Jack99That is six million folks for ALL versions of D&D, not 6 million 4e players.Those folks who are playing D&D once a week just like they have for the last 20 years? They are probably playing the same edition they were 20 years ago if they aren't looking on the internet to see whats new, or going into the game stores to buy new products. 10,000 DDI accounts says a lot about dnd4's popularity. I would even be willing to imply that lots of groups that are serious about it share ddi accounts for the builder. Even if sharing is 6 to 1, that is still only 60k users. (with 50k of them not paying for the service).I don't know what your specific issue with Pathfinder is. But you cannot just pretend like know one knows what it is, and try and paint that as a fact to me. I go to con's, I run gamedays at game stores and libraries, I help organize gaming for high school clubs, and even boy scout troops. And while what I have seen may be unique to myself. The things I witness are almost the exact opposite of the picture that you and Dannager have painted. I see folks in all of these venues talking about other antasy games aside from 4e (and yes Pathfinder is definately among those things being discussed, but certainly not the sole topic of discussion).Yes I see a 4e community in the real world. But IMO it is but a fraction of the D&D-ish community at large. In fact most of the fantasy games I see being played in public venues are not D&D 4e at all. (Most of what I am seeing in my area are 1e games and Pathfinder games TBH). D&D miniatures is more popular than 4e in several of the places I frequent. (In fact if you look at the Dragoncon pics mark posted, all of the folks at the long tables are in fact playing miniatures, only the round tables are actually playing RPGA games)Certainly the things I am seeing could be viewed as anecdotal evidence. But other folks are seeing similar things and having similar experiences. There reaches a point when so many folks in so many different places are seeing the same thing that the "anecdotal" mantra I see being offered every time someone says that they experienced a scene where 4e was not the top dog, starts to seem rather pointless.Sure on the internet the divide is about 50/50 as far as I can tell. I see lots of different folks on lots of different sites having issue with the new system, and the same 20-30 4e fans telling them they are wrong. But I am also seeing a 50/50 divide in the real world with folks that have nothing to do with internet forums/blogs/etc.It is my opinion that the newest version of D&D not being popular is a common conception among the gaming community at large. Every time the topic is brought up, it is almost always a pretty even split on stances as far as I can tell. It is certainly not a D&D vs Pathfinder split, it is more of a D&D 4e vs all other editions and flavors of D&D split. But the split seems pretty large from what I can tell.But that is just what I am seeing and the opinions I have formed from the things I have seen personally, out in the real world away from the interwebs. Your own experiences may in fact paint the diametrically opposed picture that you play up. But I am just not seeing that in my neck of the woods, so I will step out from under any other blanket statements that are being made about the runaway popularity of the newest edition of D&D. Because they don't seem to apply in my gaming circles.love,malkav</blockquote>

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