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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imban" data-source="post: 4935382" data-attributes="member: 29206">Uh, what am I misrepresenting? If you're not buying or playing 4e, you... aren't buying or playing 4e. I didn't imply that they wouldn't - at least not most of them - but they're still among the many people who would call themselves D&D players but who aren't playing 4th edition or really caring about 4th edition in any way.Which... is what I said in the first place. Unless you were constantly pressing for a different game or something while you were in the 3e game you never really liked, you were a 3e player.Dude, that's most of my gaming community - doesn't use the internet to shop for games (in fact, doesn't really shop for games at all), doesn't have a FLGS, and generally don't buy RPG books at all. The only reason more than two or three of them have heard of Pathfinder is that one of them handed the beta to me one day and said he wanted to use it in my current D&D game.You really underestimate just how many gamers are just that way because their friends game, and who aren't really throwing money at it, posting on gaming boards, or going to conventions.Pathfinder has a much easier time of things, because I can just toss some of its good ideas into my 3e game. True20 is Something Totally Different.</blockquote>