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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dragonblade" data-source="post: 4935592" data-attributes="member: 2804">Never heard of Dragon Con, but I went to PAX which probably had some 70,000+ attendees and probably exceeds Gen Con in terms of geek attendance and the only RPG gaming going on that I saw was 4e.Well, I take that back. I did see 4 guys playing Burning Wheel with the creator in one of the side game rooms. But that was the only non-WotC RPG I saw in my entire time there.The WotC Dungeon Master seminar at PAX had something crazy like 500 attendees and was packed. The PAX staff had to turn people away at the door.Outside of the hardcore tabletop gaming subculture, very few people know anything about Pathfinder (or EN World for that matter). 4e D&D is clearly king. And I don't mean that to disparage Pathfinder which I have nothing against.</blockquote>