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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sledge" data-source="post: 2482016" data-attributes="member: 9324">As requested:At the end of ten levels a DD has:10 d12 hit dice+7 BAB+7 Fort+3 Ref+7 Will+8 Str+2 Con+2 ChaLowlight visionDarkvisionBlindsenseImmunity to sleep and paralysis effects, and immunity to the energy type used by his breath weapon (see above).Very slow flightFighter 10 should be inferior because of the requirement to get DD.  We check and find:10 d10 HD (-1 per level average and another -1 for the con difference)+10 BAB (3 better)+7 Fort+3 Ref+3 Will (4 worse)6 FeatsSo with the HP we can counteract the difference with 2 Improved toughness feats.  However this is significantly better because the 1st feat counters the con difference, but the second counters the 10 levels of d12s and adds for everly level before or after.The 3 BAB difference counters the +4 to hit from strength and the BAB will result in a faster iterative attack.The +4 to damage is worth around +2 to attacks and as such roughly two feats worth.So we have 2 feats remaining for the will save and special abilities.  At this point it sounds like the DD is solid right?  As long as you are human and consider 1 level of Sorceror worthwhile without any further growth in that regard.  After all enlarge is a mighty useful spell.  Wait it doesn't work on dragon disciples at level 10.  In fact there are a slew of negative bits for no longer being humanoid.  The benefits of not being humanoid are typically stated as immunity to spells which require a high will save, which DD gives you anyways.  Most of the spells you will have will be useless to a dragon disciple at that level simply because magic items are far cheaper and more efficient.  So to really do this right we have to count those in.  Another missing BAB and a d4 hit dice.  That single d4 hit dice is 3-4 HP less than the fighter or barbarian.  This makes the second improved toughness only countering around 6 hp and giving and putting it ahead about 10 points.  I'd therefore cut that to worthy of only half a feat.  I'm assuming barbarian because 10 fighter levels is a convenient number to stay at.  In any case we can safely wipe out 2 of the +4 damage and free up a feat.So we now have 3 and a half feats that are supposed to be equivalent to all of the following:Lowlight vision (easily magic item reproducable, so not directly feat worthy.  Call it one half.)Darkvision (same as above)Blindsense (not as useful as it seems so again I'd put it around 1/2 a feat)Immunity to sleep and paralysis effects, and immunity to the energy type used by his breath weapon (Definitely worth a feat, perhaps more).Very slow flight (Any 16th level character will have better than this already so this is largely for flavour.  I suspect that even Dragon Disciples will pick up items for better flight.)3  half feats, plus one that is worth a full feat by my judgement.  2.5 feats of 3.5 available.If the character is anything but human however the class costs so much to get into that it is useless.There it is.  Now destroy it as you will.  These are my subjective beliefs here and may well differ from yours.  For my solution ask and I'll post it in house rules.</blockquote>

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