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<blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 1731630" data-attributes="member: 141"><p>Have you read the Lucifer comics by Mike Carey? It's a spin-off of Neil Gaiman's Sandman series, following the career of Lucifer after The Season of Mists (volume 4). If you haven't, I recommend them- there are some variations there of your ideas that I think you would enjoy.</p><p></p><p>In *that* cosmology the economy of hell is based on the extraction of pain from the damned- it's refined into a drug similar to liquid pain. There is no ultimate redemptive purpose (as far as I can tell) to the suffering of the souls who find their way there.</p><p></p><p>Also (again, as far as I can tell) the damned seem to be in hell because they feel they need punishment for the wrong they did. There is a core of self-hatred in them that the denizens of hell exploit. Nobody (but themselves) sends them there; and nobody (afaict) tempts them to go there.</p><p></p><p>In the Sandman/Lucifer comics two angels rule Hell by the mandate of Heaven (Remiel and Duma, the angel of silence), so the sanction of God for these arrangements seems to be present. (Lucifer gave the keys of hell to Dream of the endless when Lucifer retired; Dream gave them to the two angels after hearing the petitions of other powers who wished to take over Hell).</p><p></p><p>Anyways, your statement about "eliminating the need for hell" made me wonder if the punishment there (in Dragon Earth) was redemptive and/or purgative: do damned souls "move on" after they've "done their time"?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cheiromancer, post: 1731630, member: 141"] Have you read the Lucifer comics by Mike Carey? It's a spin-off of Neil Gaiman's Sandman series, following the career of Lucifer after The Season of Mists (volume 4). If you haven't, I recommend them- there are some variations there of your ideas that I think you would enjoy. In *that* cosmology the economy of hell is based on the extraction of pain from the damned- it's refined into a drug similar to liquid pain. There is no ultimate redemptive purpose (as far as I can tell) to the suffering of the souls who find their way there. Also (again, as far as I can tell) the damned seem to be in hell because they feel they need punishment for the wrong they did. There is a core of self-hatred in them that the denizens of hell exploit. Nobody (but themselves) sends them there; and nobody (afaict) tempts them to go there. In the Sandman/Lucifer comics two angels rule Hell by the mandate of Heaven (Remiel and Duma, the angel of silence), so the sanction of God for these arrangements seems to be present. (Lucifer gave the keys of hell to Dream of the endless when Lucifer retired; Dream gave them to the two angels after hearing the petitions of other powers who wished to take over Hell). Anyways, your statement about "eliminating the need for hell" made me wonder if the punishment there (in Dragon Earth) was redemptive and/or purgative: do damned souls "move on" after they've "done their time"? [/QUOTE]
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