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<blockquote data-quote="Fallen Seraph" data-source="post: 4064275" data-attributes="member: 57894">*Shrugs shoulders* I guess this is just the impass of different gaming styles but, well this is what it is like with my group.Basic SoD: Despite the most indepth, interesting description of the SoD, it is still *yawn* &quot;okay I roll this, *rolls* &quot;oh I succeded, okay *moves on* (or) *rolls* &quot;crap, I failed... umm cleric a little help here&quot;.With multiple-approach traps: *Trap is set off* &quot;hmm lets see, if the trap is swinging down, my best bet is to doge aside, but wait! wasn't that crate nearby, hmm... *checks strength and initative* &quot;awesome, I can pull this off&quot; *quickly shoves crate into path of trap blocking it* &quot;great it worked!&quot;Tough Encounter with SoD: &quot;okay, you guys get ready&quot; *Medusa petrifies* &quot;what, I failed, what can I do then?&quot; &quot;nothing&quot; &quot;nothing! You mean thats it, I can't fight back I can't try and shake the effects off?&quot; &quot;nope, your now stone&quot; *player waits out fight, while others fight*Tough Encounter without SoD: &quot;okay, you guys get ready&quot; *Medusa begins to petrify character* &quot;we have to get to him soon or hey may get it, Rogue! distract the medusa! while I try to get him out&quot;*Shrugs shoulders again* I dunno but in my and my groups eyes without SoD is quite alot more fun and interesting, as well as still being gritty because of having the characters actually have grit and the capabilities to survive by the skin of their teeth.Now I am not saying SoD should be eliminated completely it has its place, but as a common element of the game, not in my books.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fallen Seraph, post: 4064275, member: 57894"] *Shrugs shoulders* I guess this is just the impass of different gaming styles but, well this is what it is like with my group. [B]Basic SoD:[/B] Despite the most indepth, interesting description of the SoD, it is still *yawn* "okay I roll this, *rolls* "oh I succeded, okay *moves on* (or) *rolls* "crap, I failed... umm cleric a little help here". [B] With multiple-approach traps:[/B] *Trap is set off* "hmm lets see, if the trap is swinging down, my best bet is to doge aside, but wait! wasn't that crate nearby, hmm... *checks strength and initative* "awesome, I can pull this off" *quickly shoves crate into path of trap blocking it* "great it worked!" [B] Tough Encounter with SoD:[/B] "okay, you guys get ready" *Medusa petrifies* "what, I failed, what can I do then?" "nothing" "nothing! You mean thats it, I can't fight back I can't try and shake the effects off?" "nope, your now stone" *player waits out fight, while others fight* [B] Tough Encounter without SoD:[/B] "okay, you guys get ready" *Medusa begins to petrify character* "we have to get to him soon or hey may get it, Rogue! distract the medusa! while I try to get him out" *Shrugs shoulders again* I dunno but in my and my groups eyes without SoD is quite alot more fun and interesting, as well as still being gritty because of having the characters actually have grit and the capabilities to survive by the skin of their teeth. Now I am not saying SoD should be eliminated completely it has its place, but as a common element of the game, not in my books. [/QUOTE]

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