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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 2353802" data-attributes="member: 4134">Are you talking about CR 11 Adult Black or CR 14 Mature Adult?If you play the mature adult dragon properly, it will have the effect of a CoC monster (we all know - or not - that notable remark in CoC d20 concerning monsters. It's along the lines of: "Monsters in Call of Cthulhu aren't there to create challenges. Monsters are there to kill. If the party fights a monster, some player(s) will die).Dragons are powerful for their CR, and the characters are of lower level (the jack-of-all-trades has enough levels, but lacks the caster level and spell levels of single-classed casters or manifesters).It really depens on how powerful they are for their level. If they go through monsters of their CR without breaking a sweat, it's OK, but if they have problems with that, they will be in deep muck (and not just because they will be in the swamp)You can either play the dragon dumb, just like an animal, but that doesn't do the dragon justice. Or, you can play the dragon like smart and powerful monster that it is, and give the players a hell of a fight.I'd advice on using the CR 11 adult dragon, and use all the tactics a dragon would use - use terrain to its advantage, use minions to tire the party out, and when the dragon decides to enter the fray, he will strike from an ambush (that thing will have max ranks in hide and move silently, and it can breathe water), hitting spell-casters and archers first. It will then either attack from the air, using the fact that it can fly to its advanate, or try to grapple enemies and drown them. It will concentrate on one enemy at a time. It will be out to kill. At least, that's how I play dragons. I also make them purely optional. Players can choose to fight the dragon, but they know that dragons are not messing around. If you plan to force them into this fight, you might be more lenient, or use a weaker specimen, at least at first, to gauge out their brawn and brains. Otherwise, this might be a real player killer.</blockquote>

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