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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Whisper72" data-source="post: 3987783" data-attributes="member: 17339">Well, you base everyhting on pretty much 'physical power' if you will.The Dragon being far older and wizer then most has 'seen it all before', and shoudl therefore be much better at divining the aims and ambitions of others. The dragon is therefore much better at playing rivals off against eachother.Dragons over time have gathered large hoards, money is power, so there is one source. Fruthermore, with the long horizon, the Dragon can lay plots that come to fruition much later, while most (especially humans) want to see result in their own lifetimes.I do not understand the idea that the collective minions cannot be more powerful then the BBEG/dragon itself. I mean, surely the soldiery of an empire together are more powerful then the emperor?Even if the various lieutenants together are much more powerful then the dragon itself, this does not need be a problem. Especially if they are all evil, the dragon will constantly 'divide and concquer', playing his own people against eachother to keep them from joining forces and gang up. Furthermore, the dragon may keep secrets to itself (for example, the place where his hoard is) such that the minions will not be succesful if they kill the dragon.Not knowning 4E rules, it is hard to make concrete examples.As to dragons not having access to magic is nonsense. It is simply a matter of co-opting and using a magic using ally. Maybe keep a friendly sorcerer/mage on hand in exchange for information (the long-lived dragon should know things most others do not, for example about historical events). Another way would be to kidnap friends/family of some sorceror/mage and make the magic user do stuff for the dragon.If the shape shifting power remains in 4E, then this is a powerful way to remain hidden and retain contact with minions. A simple hat of disguise or similar magic can ensure that the dragon continuously has another appearance, and so different minions do not know who the 'real dragon' is.Plenty stuff really...</blockquote>

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