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<blockquote data-quote="Set" data-source="post: 3996185" data-attributes="member: 41584">In this case, using your base assumption that *nobody* in a fantasy world could attain any sort of political power without access to high-level magic, then no, a dragon without access to high-level magic would be equally unable to attain any sort of political power in such a narrowly-defined setting.I was arguing from the position of a setting like Greyhawk, the Forgotten Realms or Eberron, where Fighters, Rogues and even NPC Aristocrats can and do serve as rulers of most city-states and nations, alongside other nations that are indeed ruled by a high-level spellcaster of some sort.&nbsp; As your campaign setting is based more on a land such as Thay, where only high-level spellcasters are allowed to rule, then a dragon who is not a high-level spellcaster will indeed be disadvantaged.Of course, the lack of *innate* spellcasting ability in no way prevents a dragon from learning class levels of Sorcerer or Wizard, and most dragons will end up far smarter and / or charismatic than a Sorcerer or Wizard who started as a human or elf, making the dragon who wants to be a wizard and join the ruling caste somewhat superior to the human who wants to be a wizard and join the ruling caste, even leaving aside all of the other advantages that a dragon possesses over higher attribute scores.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Set, post: 3996185, member: 41584"] In this case, using your base assumption that [b]*nobody* in a fantasy world could attain any sort of political power without access to high-level magic,[/b] then no, a dragon without access to high-level magic would be equally unable to attain any sort of political power in such a narrowly-defined setting. I was arguing from the position of a setting like Greyhawk, the Forgotten Realms or Eberron, where Fighters, Rogues and even NPC Aristocrats can and do serve as rulers of most city-states and nations, alongside other nations that are indeed ruled by a high-level spellcaster of some sort. As your campaign setting is based more on a land such as Thay, where only high-level spellcasters are allowed to rule, then a dragon who is not a high-level spellcaster will indeed be disadvantaged. Of course, the lack of *innate* spellcasting ability in no way prevents a dragon from learning class levels of Sorcerer or Wizard, and most dragons will end up far smarter and / or charismatic than a Sorcerer or Wizard who started as a human or elf, making the dragon who wants to be a wizard and join the ruling caste somewhat superior to the human who wants to be a wizard and join the ruling caste, even leaving aside all of the other advantages that a dragon possesses over higher attribute scores. [/QUOTE]

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