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<blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 22311" data-attributes="member: 259">Very interesting to read, and maybe one day Reaper will learn manners.Nah -- I'm not THAT far into my fantasy world.James, I think this dragon behaved plausibly, from all that you've described.&nbsp; My only question is not to you, but to WOTC:even though they have the same CR, does anyone really think that&nbsp; a young adult green w/ 10 wizard levels (CR20) is equivalent to a very old red dragon (CR20)?The YA green gets:243 HP (on average)a breath weapon that does 10d6 damage, DC 22 -- average damage on a failed save=35 HPDR 5/+15th level spells as a wizard3rd level spells as a sorcererThe very old red dragon gets449 HP (on average)a breath weapon that does 18d10 HP, DC 33-- average damage on a failed save = 99 HPDR 15/+2suggestion 3x/day (DC 19)6th level spells as a sorcererThis leaves out the melee attacks of the two critters.Other than the first dragon's extra two metamagic feats, and a bit more versatility spellwise, does it have any advantages to make up for the one-less level of spells, and the 206 fewer HP, and the breath weapon that does 1/3 as much damage even on the relatively fewer times that it hits, and the worse damage reduction, and the fewer special abilities?I'm thinking that the treasure that a CR20 red dragon has is not appropriate for a CR20 green dragon/evoker.Still, it does sound like a fun encounter, and if the players got a little too much loot, there are ways to get rid of it!&nbsp; Rust monsters polymorphed into seagulls, I hear, can be diverting.Daniel</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pielorinho, post: 22311, member: 259"] Very interesting to read, and maybe one day Reaper will learn manners. Nah -- I'm not THAT far into my fantasy world. James, I think this dragon behaved plausibly, from all that you've described. My only question is not to you, but to WOTC: even though they have the same CR, does anyone really think that a young adult green w/ 10 wizard levels (CR20) is equivalent to a very old red dragon (CR20)? The YA green gets: 243 HP (on average) a breath weapon that does 10d6 damage, DC 22 -- average damage on a failed save=35 HP DR 5/+1 5th level spells as a wizard 3rd level spells as a sorcerer The very old red dragon gets 449 HP (on average) a breath weapon that does 18d10 HP, DC 33-- average damage on a failed save = 99 HP DR 15/+2 suggestion 3x/day (DC 19) 6th level spells as a sorcerer This leaves out the melee attacks of the two critters. Other than the first dragon's extra two metamagic feats, and a bit more versatility spellwise, does it have any advantages to make up for the one-less level of spells, and the 206 fewer HP, and the breath weapon that does 1/3 as much damage even on the relatively fewer times that it hits, and the worse damage reduction, and the fewer special abilities? I'm thinking that the treasure that a CR20 red dragon has is not appropriate for a CR20 green dragon/evoker. Still, it does sound like a fun encounter, and if the players got a little too much loot, there are ways to get rid of it! Rust monsters polymorphed into seagulls, I hear, can be diverting. Daniel [/QUOTE]

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