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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 1469432" data-attributes="member: 2067">First, the DS issueBut you can have idealistic druids who want to restore the natural world? And idealistic rebels who want to free the slaves? And idealistic preservers who tap magic at the expense of their own well-being? But...not idealistic crusaders? I mean, sure, there'd be some setting alterations (the Code would be changed to one of preservation, rather than one of chivalry, probably), but an idealistic warrior can fit in the setting pretty well, I think. And it would be an altruism tested to it's very limits -- a "lawful stupid" paladin would be a lawful stupid corpse if he tried many of the things mentioned as 'good' in the Book of Exalted Deeds, for instance.Bingo. I don't think there's a need for a "Dark Sun Bard/Assassin/Thing" class -- either allow the bard, or just tell people to use Rogues. That said, I don't think the bard is *essential.* I mean, it's fine that it exists, but I'd be fine with them dropping it, too; there's no reason it shouldn't exist, but I see no reason it should. I'd like, perhaps ideally, to have a "psionic jack of all trades" who gains psionics like a bard gains magic, with a bard BAB, bard skills, etc. Buy that's easy enough to weasel into, prolly especially with the XPH.Crappy rules mechanic, IMHO....but YMMV. A game in which I'm switching characters that often is a game in which I, as a player, can't get much into the world.I disagree. It's an edition problem, methinks. In 2e, it was "arcane magic." In 3e, it is "wizards." It has the same effect -- arcane magic, associated with Wizards, is bad -- without crippling the underlying system. That said, don't make the bard a rogue and pretend it's a bard. Just drop the thing. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> And you don't really make a case for Paladins.....Looking over Dave's entry, I see a lot of what he's sayin'- Nix monks; unarmed attacks are too potent when your weapons are crap- Nix sorcs; psions are the 'spontaneous spellcasters.'I think a few of his rules were clunky (weapon damage, armor damage, etc. were clunky when done in From Stone to Steel, it could be clunky here). Heat already does damage, no need to re-write the manual on that one. I think there ideally would've been a "wealth to power conversion," where you could decrease the wealth level of the game but keep giving PC's powers (sort of how my One Week Old campaign is short on wealth, but still gives PC's the powers of magic items). I do like the idea of tying some monster DR to primitive weapons...pretty sweet.Now, the Eberron StuffAwesome. Now if only I could get a look at how this fits into the DMG demographics, I think Eberron has nearly sold me on it's completeness. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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