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<blockquote data-quote="Sketchpad" data-source="post: 9696957" data-attributes="member: 9168"><p>I loved the V&V ads back in the day. I remember using them in the system, and even converting them over to other games. Always wished we'd get more.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I believe that Shatterman and Condor stats also appeared in the <em>Villains & Vigilantes </em>comic book from by Eclipse Comics since they were central characters to the story.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Dee and Herman both worked in the indie market here and there. I know that Herman had worked on<em> Elementals </em>with Willingham, and I believe that Dee worked on<em> Justice Machine</em> with Mike Gustovich. But <em>Death Duel with the Destroyers</em> and<em> The Island of Dr. Apocalypse</em> were the best of the V&V modules in my opinion. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>IIRC, the folks at <a href="http://monkeyhousegames.com" target="_blank">Monkey House Games</a> and Willingham had planned on a re-release of his two modules for <em>Mighty Protectors/V&V3e</em>, but things fell through. I thought I'd heard that Willingham was also going to expand his superhero setting from some short stories into gaming material as well at one point.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There are many folks that would've loved to see an <em>Elementals</em> sourcebook (and many still would). Myself being one of them. I've seen a few teasers for a <em>T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents</em> book that was also planned and fell through unfortunately. I'm happy I grabbed my <em>D.N.Agents</em> book back in the day. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sadly I remember both of those. I worked in a shop when they came out and saw the sales tank on <em>Elementals</em> around that time. Ironwood was a bit better, as it actually had some story to it. But the Sex Specials were horrible. Honestly, v2 of <em>Elementals</em> quickly went downhill in content. Unfortunate, really. Some time ago, I'd heard Jim Lee had made an offer to Rev for <em>Elementals</em>, but Rev wanted too much for the property. A few years back, Willingham proclaimed that<em> Elementals</em> are now in the <a href="https://billwillingham.substack.com/p/an-elementals-faq" target="_blank">public domain</a> and could be used by anyone, with the stipulation that it would be on them to deal with Rev if a lawsuit came up.</p><p></p><p>There was a kickstarter for <a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/michaelfitztroy/elementals-public-dominion" target="_blank"><em>Elementals: Public Domain</em></a> that was funded a while ago and just went to the printers. This is not by Rev, so we'll see how things play out. I'm looking forward to the book.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sketchpad, post: 9696957, member: 9168"] I loved the V&V ads back in the day. I remember using them in the system, and even converting them over to other games. Always wished we'd get more. I believe that Shatterman and Condor stats also appeared in the [I]Villains & Vigilantes [/I]comic book from by Eclipse Comics since they were central characters to the story. Dee and Herman both worked in the indie market here and there. I know that Herman had worked on[I] Elementals [/I]with Willingham, and I believe that Dee worked on[I] Justice Machine[/I] with Mike Gustovich. But [I]Death Duel with the Destroyers[/I] and[I] The Island of Dr. Apocalypse[/I] were the best of the V&V modules in my opinion. IIRC, the folks at [URL='http://monkeyhousegames.com']Monkey House Games[/URL] and Willingham had planned on a re-release of his two modules for [I]Mighty Protectors/V&V3e[/I], but things fell through. I thought I'd heard that Willingham was also going to expand his superhero setting from some short stories into gaming material as well at one point. There are many folks that would've loved to see an [I]Elementals[/I] sourcebook (and many still would). Myself being one of them. I've seen a few teasers for a [I]T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents[/I] book that was also planned and fell through unfortunately. I'm happy I grabbed my [I]D.N.Agents[/I] book back in the day. Sadly I remember both of those. I worked in a shop when they came out and saw the sales tank on [I]Elementals[/I] around that time. Ironwood was a bit better, as it actually had some story to it. But the Sex Specials were horrible. Honestly, v2 of [I]Elementals[/I] quickly went downhill in content. Unfortunate, really. Some time ago, I'd heard Jim Lee had made an offer to Rev for [I]Elementals[/I], but Rev wanted too much for the property. A few years back, Willingham proclaimed that[I] Elementals[/I] are now in the [URL='https://billwillingham.substack.com/p/an-elementals-faq']public domain[/URL] and could be used by anyone, with the stipulation that it would be on them to deal with Rev if a lawsuit came up. There was a kickstarter for [URL='https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/michaelfitztroy/elementals-public-dominion'][I]Elementals: Public Domain[/I][/URL] that was funded a while ago and just went to the printers. This is not by Rev, so we'll see how things play out. I'm looking forward to the book. [/QUOTE]
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