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<blockquote data-quote="ForceUser" data-source="post: 809884" data-attributes="member: 2785">Not true. Not with my DMs. We don't coddle the PCs. We don't set up rainbows and special parades and hand them magic items off of trees. Among my circle of regular DMs and players, we play it by the numbers. Dragon fights are SUPPOSED to be tough. You DO NOT pull punches. You win some, you lose some, and you have fun either way. All we do as DMs is make sure the encounter is CR-appropriate. When my Greyhawk DM threw that green dragon at us I spoke of earlier, we thought we were fuxxored. It attacked from the wing. It breathed and swooped out of range. It shrugged off some spells and cast some of its own. Our fighters couldn't hit it. Our sorcerer hid and wouldn't attack it. It whittled away at our acid protection spells with impunity for several rounds. And then our psion used his head and suggested to the green that it land. And because of that we won. I have been in several 3E dragon fights where DMs pulled out all the stops. Yes, they are HAIRY encounters. Yes, characters may die. That is INTENDED. It's SUPPOSED to be tough. It's a dragon. But it is by no means invincible, and if the players are smart or lucky they can win. And in years to come they will remember that fight. I remember every 3E dragon encounter I have had, because they have all been memorable. So stop selling your BS, hong. I'm not buying <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="ForceUser, post: 809884, member: 2785"] Not true. Not with my DMs. We don't coddle the PCs. We don't set up rainbows and special parades and hand them magic items off of trees. Among my circle of regular DMs and players, we play it by the numbers. Dragon fights are SUPPOSED to be tough. You DO NOT pull punches. You win some, you lose some, and you have fun either way. All we do as DMs is make sure the encounter is CR-appropriate. When my Greyhawk DM threw that green dragon at us I spoke of earlier, we thought we were fuxxored. It attacked from the wing. It breathed and swooped out of range. It shrugged off some spells and cast some of its own. Our fighters couldn't hit it. Our sorcerer hid and wouldn't attack it. It whittled away at our acid protection spells with impunity for several rounds. And then our psion used his head and [i]suggested[/i] to the green that it land. And because of that we won. I have been in several 3E dragon fights where DMs pulled out all the stops. Yes, they are HAIRY encounters. Yes, characters may die. That is INTENDED. It's SUPPOSED to be tough. It's a dragon. But it is by no means invincible, and if the players are smart or lucky they can win. And in years to come they will remember that fight. I remember every 3E dragon encounter I have had, because they have all been memorable. So stop selling your BS, hong. I'm not buying :p [/QUOTE]

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