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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 2050346" data-attributes="member: 114">One tactic  that I've had which worked very well for another DM:Dragon with improved disarm. Doesn't have any problem winning the opposed disarm check and swallows the weapon or otherwise puts it out of reach.Another tactic which works very well - grapple and pull a single foe into an environment which is fine for you but deadly for others (green or black pull them underwater, red pull them under magma).I've had a young adult red dragon fight from within a wall of fire; he can fight out with impunity, but everyone attacking him has to reach through the wall of fire to do so.The biggest problem that any old, powerful, intelligent dragon has is the ability of its foes to neutralise its breath weapon and attack its vulnerabilities. Personally once dragons get an Int of 18+ I start making sure that they are giving due consideration to alternative tactics if facing foes that they can't defeat with one of their standard tactics (for instance, even with no adventurers of sufficient level, the dragon will have given thought to how to handle giants which are physically powerful and also immune to its breath weapon)Regarding Endur's CR13 dragon. I doubt it could take *any* 20th level PC class in a 1-on-1 fight, assuming that the PC has his normal equipment and is taking any normal precautions (not specific anti-dragon precautions). But that is the *point* of CR, isn't it?Cheers</blockquote>

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