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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 6790988" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>OK, read it all. I get where you're coming from, but I disagree with you fundamentally on most of your assumptions, so I doubt this will lead anywhere. </p><p></p><p>Aside from what I've already said, it's established in the Neverwinter Campaign Guide, if nowhere else, that there are Dragonborn on the Sword Coast. Personally, I think that the whole idea that most dragonborn have "returned" to their "home world" is complete nonsense, so I ignore it along with at least a dozen other things in the ridiculous "this is not a retcon" retcon they call the sundering. IMO, it's worse than the ToT or Spellplague, and only mostly because it's so thinly veiled in it's "people got butthurt about the 4e realms, so we're retconning them out of existence. Mostly. </p><p></p><p>Anyway, all that baggage aside, the dragonborn have been spread out accross Faerun as long as they've existed, in a meta sense. There may only be one DB nation, but there's no reason to assume that there aren't families and even villages with multiple families in and near most major metropolitan cities. They are a minority, fine. But there's nothing disruptive or weird about playing a minority. And the idea that most Faerunians would never have heard of Tymanther...what? FR isn't medieval europe, especially when it comes to info. That's one of the things bards do, is bring news, and that's just one way it travels. But even if it were in terms of info traveling, it still isn't in terms of literacy and people getting educations, so I just find the idea of even a plurality of people not knowing where DB come from to be...really odd. </p><p></p><p>That all being said, I'm not sure I even buy the assumption people make that a member of a monster race would be killed on sight, most places. In a small village, who is going to risk their lives to kill something that isn't attacking anyone? It would be beyond stupid. Especially if it looks as well armed and competent as an adventurer is likely to look, and <em>especially</em> if it has a handful of equally well armed and competent looking companions, who seem to think it's an alright sort of personage, and are likely to take offense to you trying to kill their friend. And by take offense, I mean kill you dead and sleep like the innocent that night, because from their perspective they were justified. </p><p>Seriously, what villagers or townsfolk or even city guards are going to do that? Attack one member of an adventuring company on sight, because they look reptilian and kinda scary? </p><p></p><p>So, we're left with distrust and varying degrees of xenophobia or acceptance, depending on where you are and how crappy your DM likes to play villagers. </p><p></p><p>But there are probably also fairly well known DB heroes that any given villager has heard stories about, also. </p><p></p><p>I think in most cities, they'd be treated like 3rd generation immigrants, at worst. At best, they'd be treated like everyone else because there are surface drow now, and there was an orc kingdom that traded with people, and Waterdeep has members of pretty much every race living within it's walls. </p><p></p><p>Of course, in my Realms, Many Arrows is still doing fine, Netheril has lost most of it's power but is still around and has abandoned the worship of Shar, having bigger fish to fry with using their magic to build new oasis enclaves and normalize relations with it's neighbors, Myth Drannor wasn't re-destroyed, there are still big chasms leading into the Underdark, none of the old heroes have been shot through time or whatever the hell, etc. </p><p>At this point, anything that comes out for FR, even if it comes from Elminst- I mean Greenwood, is a suggestion. Once you retcon, no matter how much you insist it isn't one, you have no canon, IMO. </p><p>I'd have accepted a reboot to "day one" or one where Greenwood remakes the realms into what he runs at home or something more easily than a totallynotaretconbutreallyit'saretcon.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 6790988, member: 6704184"] OK, read it all. I get where you're coming from, but I disagree with you fundamentally on most of your assumptions, so I doubt this will lead anywhere. Aside from what I've already said, it's established in the Neverwinter Campaign Guide, if nowhere else, that there are Dragonborn on the Sword Coast. Personally, I think that the whole idea that most dragonborn have "returned" to their "home world" is complete nonsense, so I ignore it along with at least a dozen other things in the ridiculous "this is not a retcon" retcon they call the sundering. IMO, it's worse than the ToT or Spellplague, and only mostly because it's so thinly veiled in it's "people got butthurt about the 4e realms, so we're retconning them out of existence. Mostly. Anyway, all that baggage aside, the dragonborn have been spread out accross Faerun as long as they've existed, in a meta sense. There may only be one DB nation, but there's no reason to assume that there aren't families and even villages with multiple families in and near most major metropolitan cities. They are a minority, fine. But there's nothing disruptive or weird about playing a minority. And the idea that most Faerunians would never have heard of Tymanther...what? FR isn't medieval europe, especially when it comes to info. That's one of the things bards do, is bring news, and that's just one way it travels. But even if it were in terms of info traveling, it still isn't in terms of literacy and people getting educations, so I just find the idea of even a plurality of people not knowing where DB come from to be...really odd. That all being said, I'm not sure I even buy the assumption people make that a member of a monster race would be killed on sight, most places. In a small village, who is going to risk their lives to kill something that isn't attacking anyone? It would be beyond stupid. Especially if it looks as well armed and competent as an adventurer is likely to look, and [I]especially[/I] if it has a handful of equally well armed and competent looking companions, who seem to think it's an alright sort of personage, and are likely to take offense to you trying to kill their friend. And by take offense, I mean kill you dead and sleep like the innocent that night, because from their perspective they were justified. Seriously, what villagers or townsfolk or even city guards are going to do that? Attack one member of an adventuring company on sight, because they look reptilian and kinda scary? So, we're left with distrust and varying degrees of xenophobia or acceptance, depending on where you are and how crappy your DM likes to play villagers. But there are probably also fairly well known DB heroes that any given villager has heard stories about, also. I think in most cities, they'd be treated like 3rd generation immigrants, at worst. At best, they'd be treated like everyone else because there are surface drow now, and there was an orc kingdom that traded with people, and Waterdeep has members of pretty much every race living within it's walls. Of course, in my Realms, Many Arrows is still doing fine, Netheril has lost most of it's power but is still around and has abandoned the worship of Shar, having bigger fish to fry with using their magic to build new oasis enclaves and normalize relations with it's neighbors, Myth Drannor wasn't re-destroyed, there are still big chasms leading into the Underdark, none of the old heroes have been shot through time or whatever the hell, etc. At this point, anything that comes out for FR, even if it comes from Elminst- I mean Greenwood, is a suggestion. Once you retcon, no matter how much you insist it isn't one, you have no canon, IMO. I'd have accepted a reboot to "day one" or one where Greenwood remakes the realms into what he runs at home or something more easily than a totallynotaretconbutreallyit'saretcon. [/QUOTE]
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