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<blockquote data-quote="Ilbranteloth" data-source="post: 6799870" data-attributes="member: 6778044"><p>So I have a question. Where in the Forgotten Realms game supplements does it indicate that dragonborn are known throughout Faerun?</p><p></p><p>I've found, in the 4th Edition Campaign Setting:</p><p>'They sometimes send small groups of elite warriors to track down known lairs of powerful dragons. Sometimes they return, sometimes they don't.'</p><p></p><p>'Despite Tymanther's desire for friendly relations with others, it has one few true allies. High Imaskar...Chessenta.'</p><p></p><p>'Dragonborn who achieve fame abroad are celebrates as state heroes back in Tymanther. The dragonborn see these few as emissaries of their race, proving to the wide continent of Faerun that they have nothing to fear from dragonborn.'</p><p></p><p>In the Neverwinter campaign settings, the only times I found the word 'dragonborn' is in two random encounter tables. One for New Neverwinter, and one for the Cult of the Dragon. Both are the same - a dragonborn mercenary and a dragonborn soldier.</p><p></p><p>Forgotten Realms Player's Guide (4th Ed): About 3/4 of a page including:</p><p>'Faerûn holds many new possibilities, new opportunities, without any of the prejudices of their past. Dragonborn are eager to explore and to extend the hand of friendship to their neighbors. Having no thirst for war, dragonborn work hard to achieve peaceful relations with those they meet and struggle to establish themselves as a viable nation in the tapestry of lands that make up Toril. Unfortunately for them, the strangeness of their customs and their uncertain origins casts many suspicions on the dragonborn and their motives, making establishing long-lasting alliances a challenge. ' and </p><p></p><p>This adherence to proper behavior eclipses the race’s views toward the gods. Since Abeir was without divine influence, at least in a way that most people of Toril understand, dragonborn regard the gods and their servants with suspicion, for they have ever held themselves accountable for their own actions and never to the expectations of others, especially to some remote god or other. Although a few dragonborn have found themselves in the service of traditionally wicked institutions*, they cannot share the tenets and beliefs of the organizations they serve.</p><p></p><p>And yes, this entry is under a section called other common races. But looking at the number of times they appear in print, and the even fewer times it's more than a sentence, I'd disagree.</p><p></p><p>*Although we find, particularly in relationship to the HotDQ/RoT adventures that the most common published dragonborn is a member of the Cult of the Dragon.</p><p></p><p>Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide:</p><p>'Some of Tymanther's dragonborn have spread across Faerun and gained reputations at competent, highly sought-after mercenaries.' and</p><p></p><p>'For a time, the dragonborn of Tymanther sought to integrate with their new world while maintaining their own traditions and culture. These efforts gave the nation and its people a reputation for being honorable and worthy of respect. Only a few generations later, however, the events of the Sundering returned Unther to Faerun, and the formerly displaced land sought to reclaim all it had lost to Tymanther. Reeling from this disaster, the remaining dragonborn in Faerun now find they must work even harder and with fewer resources to find their place among the people the world.'</p><p></p><p>From Defiance in Phlan (one NPC encounter):</p><p>'However, she has already been attacked twice by bandits while in Phlan, and everyone stares at her because of her white dragon heritage.'</p><p></p><p>Pool of Radiance Resurgent: One random encounter with a dragonborn druid member of the Emerald Enclave.</p><p></p><p>Dark Pyramid Sorceres of the Isle: Dragonborn thug and a mage, both members of the Cult of the Dragon.</p><p></p><p>Outlaws of the Iron Route: Main foe is a 'crazed' dragonborn sorceress.</p><p></p><p>Tyranny in Phlan: Dragonborn working for/allied with a green dragon and the Cult of the Dragon</p><p></p><p>Rise of Tiamat: A copper dragon is cautious of an alliance, instead of desiring it.</p><p></p><p>Search for the Diamond Staff: One comment:</p><p>'Dragonborn, Tieflings, and Others: In general "these races aren’t from around here" People in the Dales are used to seeing outlandish foreigners wander through and so they rarely give such individuals notice.'</p><p></p><p>-This is the first, and so far only comment of this nature I've found.</p><p></p><p>The Fall of Elturgard (Living Forgotten Realms): An NPC member of the Shields of Kilgrave adventuring party.</p><p></p><p>Age of Ruin: Set in the Abyss, there are survivors of a slaughter. Where and what depends on who the PCs called on for help. If they called on Tymanther, there is a 'maimed dragonborn Lance Defender.'</p><p></p><p>Scepter Tower of Spellgard: Dragonborn NPC looking for a mate.</p><p></p><p>They show up a few times as NPCs in a number of Living Forgotten Realms adventures, but those have always been debated as whether they are canon or not, in part due to their small distribution.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>So, in published game materials, with the exception of two sentences in one adventure, and a vague and self-contradictory comment that could refer to the specific dragonborn in question, or the race, about being 'competent, highly-sought after' mercenaries, there is almost nothing that indicates the dragonborn have had any impact on the Realms at all, outside of Unther and their immediate neighbors.</p><p></p><p>The vast majority of references account for a sentence or two, and most of them are hostile NPCs, and again the majority of them with ties to the Cult of the Dragon. Yes, most of these come from adventures related to the HotDQ/RoT series, but they were even specifically called out as such in the Neverwinter Campaign Setting. If most people's knowledge of dragonborn are related to the Cult of the Dragon, particularly following the Cult's most recent activities, if they weren't suspicious before hand, they would be even more so now.</p><p></p><p>By the volume of written material, that among two Campaign Settings, two Players' Guides (SCAG one of them), plus all of the mentions in the adventures above account for less than 5 pages of material out of hundreds, even more than a thousand published pages. There is a well written and highly regarded series of novels. But there is a very long series of novels about a drow, and yet they still remain very rare on the surface world, and almost universally shunned, even after more than 100 years of Drizzt fighting for good. </p><p></p><p>I have no idea how popular they are as a player race, but the published record looks like another one of a great many 'great ideas' for the Forgotten Realms that didn't pan out, and which they now retconning as much as possible. </p><p></p><p>I think this supports my general thoughts that most cultures would distrust, if not actually shun, dragonborn, and that they have not spread widely thorugh the Forgotten Realms in the 100 years they ave been on Toril.</p><p></p><p>Ilbranteloth</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ilbranteloth, post: 6799870, member: 6778044"] So I have a question. Where in the Forgotten Realms game supplements does it indicate that dragonborn are known throughout Faerun? I've found, in the 4th Edition Campaign Setting: 'They sometimes send small groups of elite warriors to track down known lairs of powerful dragons. Sometimes they return, sometimes they don't.' 'Despite Tymanther's desire for friendly relations with others, it has one few true allies. High Imaskar...Chessenta.' 'Dragonborn who achieve fame abroad are celebrates as state heroes back in Tymanther. The dragonborn see these few as emissaries of their race, proving to the wide continent of Faerun that they have nothing to fear from dragonborn.' In the Neverwinter campaign settings, the only times I found the word 'dragonborn' is in two random encounter tables. One for New Neverwinter, and one for the Cult of the Dragon. Both are the same - a dragonborn mercenary and a dragonborn soldier. Forgotten Realms Player's Guide (4th Ed): About 3/4 of a page including: 'Faerûn holds many new possibilities, new opportunities, without any of the prejudices of their past. Dragonborn are eager to explore and to extend the hand of friendship to their neighbors. Having no thirst for war, dragonborn work hard to achieve peaceful relations with those they meet and struggle to establish themselves as a viable nation in the tapestry of lands that make up Toril. Unfortunately for them, the strangeness of their customs and their uncertain origins casts many suspicions on the dragonborn and their motives, making establishing long-lasting alliances a challenge. ' and This adherence to proper behavior eclipses the race’s views toward the gods. Since Abeir was without divine influence, at least in a way that most people of Toril understand, dragonborn regard the gods and their servants with suspicion, for they have ever held themselves accountable for their own actions and never to the expectations of others, especially to some remote god or other. Although a few dragonborn have found themselves in the service of traditionally wicked institutions*, they cannot share the tenets and beliefs of the organizations they serve. And yes, this entry is under a section called other common races. But looking at the number of times they appear in print, and the even fewer times it's more than a sentence, I'd disagree. *Although we find, particularly in relationship to the HotDQ/RoT adventures that the most common published dragonborn is a member of the Cult of the Dragon. Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide: 'Some of Tymanther's dragonborn have spread across Faerun and gained reputations at competent, highly sought-after mercenaries.' and 'For a time, the dragonborn of Tymanther sought to integrate with their new world while maintaining their own traditions and culture. These efforts gave the nation and its people a reputation for being honorable and worthy of respect. Only a few generations later, however, the events of the Sundering returned Unther to Faerun, and the formerly displaced land sought to reclaim all it had lost to Tymanther. Reeling from this disaster, the remaining dragonborn in Faerun now find they must work even harder and with fewer resources to find their place among the people the world.' From Defiance in Phlan (one NPC encounter): 'However, she has already been attacked twice by bandits while in Phlan, and everyone stares at her because of her white dragon heritage.' Pool of Radiance Resurgent: One random encounter with a dragonborn druid member of the Emerald Enclave. Dark Pyramid Sorceres of the Isle: Dragonborn thug and a mage, both members of the Cult of the Dragon. Outlaws of the Iron Route: Main foe is a 'crazed' dragonborn sorceress. Tyranny in Phlan: Dragonborn working for/allied with a green dragon and the Cult of the Dragon Rise of Tiamat: A copper dragon is cautious of an alliance, instead of desiring it. Search for the Diamond Staff: One comment: 'Dragonborn, Tieflings, and Others: In general "these races aren’t from around here" People in the Dales are used to seeing outlandish foreigners wander through and so they rarely give such individuals notice.' -This is the first, and so far only comment of this nature I've found. The Fall of Elturgard (Living Forgotten Realms): An NPC member of the Shields of Kilgrave adventuring party. Age of Ruin: Set in the Abyss, there are survivors of a slaughter. Where and what depends on who the PCs called on for help. If they called on Tymanther, there is a 'maimed dragonborn Lance Defender.' Scepter Tower of Spellgard: Dragonborn NPC looking for a mate. They show up a few times as NPCs in a number of Living Forgotten Realms adventures, but those have always been debated as whether they are canon or not, in part due to their small distribution. --- So, in published game materials, with the exception of two sentences in one adventure, and a vague and self-contradictory comment that could refer to the specific dragonborn in question, or the race, about being 'competent, highly-sought after' mercenaries, there is almost nothing that indicates the dragonborn have had any impact on the Realms at all, outside of Unther and their immediate neighbors. The vast majority of references account for a sentence or two, and most of them are hostile NPCs, and again the majority of them with ties to the Cult of the Dragon. Yes, most of these come from adventures related to the HotDQ/RoT series, but they were even specifically called out as such in the Neverwinter Campaign Setting. If most people's knowledge of dragonborn are related to the Cult of the Dragon, particularly following the Cult's most recent activities, if they weren't suspicious before hand, they would be even more so now. By the volume of written material, that among two Campaign Settings, two Players' Guides (SCAG one of them), plus all of the mentions in the adventures above account for less than 5 pages of material out of hundreds, even more than a thousand published pages. There is a well written and highly regarded series of novels. But there is a very long series of novels about a drow, and yet they still remain very rare on the surface world, and almost universally shunned, even after more than 100 years of Drizzt fighting for good. I have no idea how popular they are as a player race, but the published record looks like another one of a great many 'great ideas' for the Forgotten Realms that didn't pan out, and which they now retconning as much as possible. I think this supports my general thoughts that most cultures would distrust, if not actually shun, dragonborn, and that they have not spread widely thorugh the Forgotten Realms in the 100 years they ave been on Toril. Ilbranteloth [/QUOTE]
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