Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Dragonborn in Faerun
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Ilbranteloth" data-source="post: 6800374" data-attributes="member: 6778044"><p>Except the books never explicitly says they are common. </p><p></p><p>'They sometimes send small groups of elite warriors to track down known lairs of powerful dragons.'</p><p></p><p>--->The key word for me is sometimes, and also the fact that they are tracking down dragon lairs, not involving themselves in societies.</p><p></p><p>'Despite Tymanther's desire for friendly relations with others, it has one few true allies.'</p><p></p><p>'Unfortunately for them, the strangeness of their customs and their uncertain origins casts many suspicions on the dragonborn and their motives, making establishing long-lasting alliances a challenge. ' </p><p></p><p>'For a time, the dragonborn of Tymanther sought to integrate with their new world while maintaining their own traditions and culture. These efforts gave the nation and its people a reputation for being honorable and worthy of respect... the remaining dragonborn in Faerun now find they must work even harder and with fewer resources to find their place among the people the world.'</p><p></p><p>'...everyone stares at her because of her white dragon heritage.'</p><p></p><p>--->All statements indicating that dragonborn have difficulty fitting in with societies other than their own. </p><p></p><p>'Dragonborn who achieve fame abroad are celebrates as state heroes back in Tymanther. The dragonborn see these few as emissaries of their race, proving to the wide continent of Faerun that they have nothing to fear from dragonborn.'</p><p></p><p>'Some of Tymanther's dragonborn have spread across Faerun and gained reputations at competent, highly sought-after mercenaries.' </p><p></p><p>--->The first doesn't indicate how many, the second says 'some.' Not many, not they are common, just some. </p><p></p><p>As for the Dalelands comment from an adventure:</p><p>'Dragonborn, Tieflings, and Others: In general "these races aren’t from around here" People in the Dales are used to seeing outlandish foreigners wander through and so they rarely give such individuals notice.'</p><p></p><p>This is just an indication that people in a specific location feel this way. Not the continent as a whole. This is in regards to a populace that has been through a lot, and that include among their populace some of the most famous and powerful adventurers in recent history. Described as rustic and xenophobic, but also recognize that skilled adventurers are their first line of defense. </p><p></p><p>It's also directly contradicted by the 'everyone stares at her' and 'the strangeness of their customs' comments noted earlier.</p><p></p><p>So perhaps dragonborn would fit best there.</p><p></p><p>In addition, the majority of mentions or published NPCs are tied to the Cult of the Dragon, which I would consider an evil organization.</p><p></p><p>I think that the number of times a race appears in a published sourcebook or adventure has some impact if the criteria is whether they are common or not. In those same books there are a great many more humans and elves described especially. One can easily surmise that if there are a lot more humans and elves identified and detailed, that there are more humans and elves. </p><p></p><p>More importantly, the vague and/or contradictory statements, combined with their low frequency leaves the interpretation to the DM and what they decide works in their campaign. At best, there are as many statements indicating they have difficulty in society as there are that they don't. They are sometimes sought after as mercenaries, but that could be in part because of their appearance, and doesn't indicate that they fit well into society. Just that they are recognized for their combat prowess, and perhaps loyalty.</p><p></p><p>So I'm not extrapolating conclusions, the conclusion that they are not common is based on what was written, with the frequency, or lack thereof, supporting it. That's not to say that it's not possible to come to another conclusion. It's not 'wrong' that you feel otherwise. It's just that the 'evidence' is presented in such a way that multiple directions are reasonable and possible.</p><p></p><p>Ilbranteloth</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ilbranteloth, post: 6800374, member: 6778044"] Except the books never explicitly says they are common. 'They sometimes send small groups of elite warriors to track down known lairs of powerful dragons.' --->The key word for me is sometimes, and also the fact that they are tracking down dragon lairs, not involving themselves in societies. 'Despite Tymanther's desire for friendly relations with others, it has one few true allies.' 'Unfortunately for them, the strangeness of their customs and their uncertain origins casts many suspicions on the dragonborn and their motives, making establishing long-lasting alliances a challenge. ' 'For a time, the dragonborn of Tymanther sought to integrate with their new world while maintaining their own traditions and culture. These efforts gave the nation and its people a reputation for being honorable and worthy of respect... the remaining dragonborn in Faerun now find they must work even harder and with fewer resources to find their place among the people the world.' '...everyone stares at her because of her white dragon heritage.' --->All statements indicating that dragonborn have difficulty fitting in with societies other than their own. 'Dragonborn who achieve fame abroad are celebrates as state heroes back in Tymanther. The dragonborn see these few as emissaries of their race, proving to the wide continent of Faerun that they have nothing to fear from dragonborn.' 'Some of Tymanther's dragonborn have spread across Faerun and gained reputations at competent, highly sought-after mercenaries.' --->The first doesn't indicate how many, the second says 'some.' Not many, not they are common, just some. As for the Dalelands comment from an adventure: 'Dragonborn, Tieflings, and Others: In general "these races aren’t from around here" People in the Dales are used to seeing outlandish foreigners wander through and so they rarely give such individuals notice.' This is just an indication that people in a specific location feel this way. Not the continent as a whole. This is in regards to a populace that has been through a lot, and that include among their populace some of the most famous and powerful adventurers in recent history. Described as rustic and xenophobic, but also recognize that skilled adventurers are their first line of defense. It's also directly contradicted by the 'everyone stares at her' and 'the strangeness of their customs' comments noted earlier. So perhaps dragonborn would fit best there. In addition, the majority of mentions or published NPCs are tied to the Cult of the Dragon, which I would consider an evil organization. I think that the number of times a race appears in a published sourcebook or adventure has some impact if the criteria is whether they are common or not. In those same books there are a great many more humans and elves described especially. One can easily surmise that if there are a lot more humans and elves identified and detailed, that there are more humans and elves. More importantly, the vague and/or contradictory statements, combined with their low frequency leaves the interpretation to the DM and what they decide works in their campaign. At best, there are as many statements indicating they have difficulty in society as there are that they don't. They are sometimes sought after as mercenaries, but that could be in part because of their appearance, and doesn't indicate that they fit well into society. Just that they are recognized for their combat prowess, and perhaps loyalty. So I'm not extrapolating conclusions, the conclusion that they are not common is based on what was written, with the frequency, or lack thereof, supporting it. That's not to say that it's not possible to come to another conclusion. It's not 'wrong' that you feel otherwise. It's just that the 'evidence' is presented in such a way that multiple directions are reasonable and possible. Ilbranteloth [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Dragonborn in Faerun
Top