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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lurker37" data-source="post: 4291891" data-attributes="member: 9522">Having re-read the paladin class and actually planned out a couple of builds, one for Str and one for Cha, I've reached the following conclusions:I was wrong about Cha-based being mainly a caster. As others have pointed out, it's a pretty good mix of types with plenty of weapon attacks and close attacks. Only a couple of powers will provoke OA.Str-based powers don't use Cha, and vice-versa. Wis is useful for both, but moreso for Cha-based it seems, although this depend on the actual powers chosen.Needing both Str and Cha is only going to happen if the character deliberately takes a mix of Str and Cha based powers. Both builds can do quite well without taking cross-picks except for Str-based paladins at level 9.Str-based paladins have fewer powers to chose from, only having one Str-based power at many levels.Being able to have more than one target marked requires using powers that need to hit the target(s). Likewise many other attacks that can disable or distract the enemy by doing things like pushing, weakening, dazing or blinding them require a successful attack. I'm not convinced that a Cha-paladin is better off dropping prone than potentially striking every adjacent enemy blind. Add powers like "any attack you make will also hurt you, bypassing your immunities" and suddenly I really want to be able to hit the enemy as a Cha-based Paladin.Dragonborn without a Con bonus waste one of their racial powers (Con bonus adds to Healing Surges.) Dragonborn without a primary or secondary physical stat will really struggle to hit equal-level minions (Edit: With their Breath Weapon) in the epic tier. (Let's say the highest started at 12, so went up to a mighty 14. That's +23 to hit at level 30. That means a 17 or better to hit those Lich Vastages, who are a full four levels lower.)Looking at the powers that Wis bonus affects, some of them look really nice to have a high Wis bonus for. I'm just torn between that and having a second high defense score, given how much difference 3 or 4 points makes to the math now. Is it worth losing some points in Wis bonus (with all it grants to paladin Cha powers) to pump up another stat? If so which one? Str because of the racial +2? Con for healing surges and hit points? Would it even be worth considering Int for a rituals or Dex for initiative?  I'm less concerned about the Breath Weapon since I noticed Cha-based paladins get some burst[>1] attacks, but I would still be quite disappointed to have such a thematic power be essentially useless at high levels since it would still be attached to a stat that had fallen behind the curve.</blockquote>

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