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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mecheon" data-source="post: 9446238" data-attributes="member: 6801776">If a dragon was just a winged lizard we wouldn't be having this discussion but, they're not even built like lizards. Physically they're nothing the same? They're more like dinosaurs if anything, and if you say dinosaurs are lizards? That is wrong in every sense of the word. Dinosaurs are achosaurs, not squamates.Like. Okay. Lizards, right? One half of squamates, along with snakes. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lizard_Collage.jpg" target="_blank">Here's a bunch</a>. You'll notice their legs always have that bent thing to them and go off to the side. Lizards physically cannot hold their bodies that high off the ground. Modern lizards have what we call a sprawling posture, which you can see in them given the way their legs sprawl to the side.You may argue crocodiles but! Crocodiles aren't lizards. They're archosaurs. They're closer relatives of birds than lizards. So we can disregard crocodiles entirely because we're talking Lizards.Here's the <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/what-do-people-think-of-the-new-dragon-designs.704226/" target="_blank">most recent dragon artwork</a>. You'll notice dragons do not sprawl. Dragons have tall, pillar-like erect legs that go under them. This is not the condition that lizards have.<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sprawling_and_erect_hip_joints_-_horizontal.svg" target="_blank">Which of these three leg postures looks more like that of a dragon's stance</a>? Lizards only have the one of the left, and I'd argue the middle and right ones are closer to how dragons are portrayed. That isn't a lizard like stance. Therefore? Dragons aren't lizards.The only way 'dragons are just winged lizards' works is if you disregard the artwork and lore entirely. Crocodiles are not lizards. Dinosaurs are not lizards. Turtles are not lizards. Dragons are not lizards. Heck, even D&D back in 2E said they're closer to dinosaurs and equates dragonkin like Hydras to being 'crocodile like', which puts them squarely outside of lizards entirely</blockquote>

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