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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8745499" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Agreed. But a mild critique of "we shouldn't do that again" isn't a threat to their security. </p><p></p><p>And art was never stopped by threats to the lives of artists before, so mild critiques won't do it either.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, judge it by the standards of the time, because if you look at it in a modern context you will see it in a modern context, and that's... bad? Because growth of society is wrong? </p><p></p><p>Like, you are literally saying that the most racist, most vile things ever created must be judged as perfectly fine art, because for the time and era they were created for they were perfectly fine art, and calling them out as vile and racist is wrong, because society has grown and that's not fair? </p><p></p><p>Well, I'm sorry, but Plato's views on women being worth less than a horse, and that they are only good as vessels to birth more men is naughty word. I don't care that thousands of years ago it was acceptable and people agreed with him, he just has to deal with the fact that we are a better society than the society of his time.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Show me a single time I advocated doing ANYTHING except NOT WRITING THE SAME THING AGAIN. </p><p></p><p>To take your example, I'm not saying we should burn Mein Kempf, I'm saying that someone shouldn't write Mein Kempf 2: Electric Chair edition. Because, you know, that'd be wrong. I don't think I'm stretching the bounds of common sense by saying "don't continue to write offensive things". I'm not exactly Superman who can fly around the world burning all the books I don't like with my super heat vision. I'm just saying "Be Better."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And yet somehow we've progressed as a society regardless. Must be magic. Only explanation that makes sense since no one can ever know.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8745499, member: 6801228"] Agreed. But a mild critique of "we shouldn't do that again" isn't a threat to their security. And art was never stopped by threats to the lives of artists before, so mild critiques won't do it either. So, judge it by the standards of the time, because if you look at it in a modern context you will see it in a modern context, and that's... bad? Because growth of society is wrong? Like, you are literally saying that the most racist, most vile things ever created must be judged as perfectly fine art, because for the time and era they were created for they were perfectly fine art, and calling them out as vile and racist is wrong, because society has grown and that's not fair? Well, I'm sorry, but Plato's views on women being worth less than a horse, and that they are only good as vessels to birth more men is naughty word. I don't care that thousands of years ago it was acceptable and people agreed with him, he just has to deal with the fact that we are a better society than the society of his time. Show me a single time I advocated doing ANYTHING except NOT WRITING THE SAME THING AGAIN. To take your example, I'm not saying we should burn Mein Kempf, I'm saying that someone shouldn't write Mein Kempf 2: Electric Chair edition. Because, you know, that'd be wrong. I don't think I'm stretching the bounds of common sense by saying "don't continue to write offensive things". I'm not exactly Superman who can fly around the world burning all the books I don't like with my super heat vision. I'm just saying "Be Better." And yet somehow we've progressed as a society regardless. Must be magic. Only explanation that makes sense since no one can ever know. [/QUOTE]
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