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[Dragonlance/Faerun] Anyone here met any Cataclysm/Wall of the Faithless defenders?
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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8116246" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>I agree, no one has an answer, but I feel like that really highlights the narrative problem. It makes no sense, and the only things we can imagine to fill in are... poor writing doubled down. </p><p></p><p>I think this is why the Wall is never going to be more than a huge narrative mistake, because it simply breaks too much.</p><p>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, we do have a story about mortal heroes fighting Myrkul over the Wall. The Betrayer's Crusade. And they were crushed flat. And we know exactly why it happened and who led it. A former Chosen of Myrkul's who wanted to free his Wife. </p><p></p><p>And that is the only recorded instance of anyone fighting to tear down the wall. </p><p></p><p>And sure, we can say that maybe a Divine War to free souls, pitting two Gods against each other and placing them in permanent conflict wasn't important enough to write. But, considering the amount of time the Wall has existed in the rulebooks, you would think it might be at least hinted at. </p><p></p><p>And to remind you, a lack of evidence can very well mean that something did not happen. Especially when it is something that would have been momentous enough to be recorded or talked about. After all, this is DnD, we don't only get the stories of the winners, we also get the stories of the losers, since they tend to make good plot hooks.</p><p></p><p>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are jumping to the end. I didn't say she went to war with Kelemvor to stop the status quo. I'm asking why she didn't go to war with Myrkul to <strong><u>preserve</u></strong> the status quo. </p><p></p><p>Again, the Wall of the Faithless was not the status quo. 31,000 years into the existence of the world, Myrkul decided to create it. And no neutral deity stepped forward to defend the status quo. No Good Deity stepped forward to prevent ths great act of evil. No mortal champions stepped forward to defend anything. Myrkul just did it. And the only one to ever defy him was one of his own champions, who was fighting to rescue his wife. </p><p></p><p>You want to talk about this as a courtroom, with Kelemvor in charge and defending the status quo, but I want to go back to the laying of the first brick. Before this was established, before this was the norm, why did no one challenge this. If the only reason they don't challenge it now is because it would cause some sort of disruption, why didn't they challenge it before it could cause any disruption? </p><p></p><p>Why did no one stop Myrkul?</p><p></p><p>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>1 is the only one that I think fits, because it acknowledges that the Wall doesn't have to make sense, the entire point is to send a message that "gods are important here" in a very hamfisted manner.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8116246, member: 6801228"] I agree, no one has an answer, but I feel like that really highlights the narrative problem. It makes no sense, and the only things we can imagine to fill in are... poor writing doubled down. I think this is why the Wall is never going to be more than a huge narrative mistake, because it simply breaks too much. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Well, we do have a story about mortal heroes fighting Myrkul over the Wall. The Betrayer's Crusade. And they were crushed flat. And we know exactly why it happened and who led it. A former Chosen of Myrkul's who wanted to free his Wife. And that is the only recorded instance of anyone fighting to tear down the wall. And sure, we can say that maybe a Divine War to free souls, pitting two Gods against each other and placing them in permanent conflict wasn't important enough to write. But, considering the amount of time the Wall has existed in the rulebooks, you would think it might be at least hinted at. And to remind you, a lack of evidence can very well mean that something did not happen. Especially when it is something that would have been momentous enough to be recorded or talked about. After all, this is DnD, we don't only get the stories of the winners, we also get the stories of the losers, since they tend to make good plot hooks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ You are jumping to the end. I didn't say she went to war with Kelemvor to stop the status quo. I'm asking why she didn't go to war with Myrkul to [B][U]preserve[/U][/B] the status quo. Again, the Wall of the Faithless was not the status quo. 31,000 years into the existence of the world, Myrkul decided to create it. And no neutral deity stepped forward to defend the status quo. No Good Deity stepped forward to prevent ths great act of evil. No mortal champions stepped forward to defend anything. Myrkul just did it. And the only one to ever defy him was one of his own champions, who was fighting to rescue his wife. You want to talk about this as a courtroom, with Kelemvor in charge and defending the status quo, but I want to go back to the laying of the first brick. Before this was established, before this was the norm, why did no one challenge this. If the only reason they don't challenge it now is because it would cause some sort of disruption, why didn't they challenge it before it could cause any disruption? Why did no one stop Myrkul? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1 is the only one that I think fits, because it acknowledges that the Wall doesn't have to make sense, the entire point is to send a message that "gods are important here" in a very hamfisted manner. [/QUOTE]
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