Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
[Dragonlance/Faerun] Anyone here met any Cataclysm/Wall of the Faithless defenders?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8121126" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>I remember seeing it in one of the linked texts from the Wiki, but I have not been able to find it again. The Wiki does credit him though.</p><p></p><p>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you are missing a key element here. Mortals have no option to choose none of the above. They have no way to pressure all of the gods. They need to worship a god, any god, and so they will pick "the best of the worst" and there is no incentive for that God to change their ways to become better. </p><p></p><p>And, over time, AO's system creates either an Oligarchy (if a group of gods can cooperate) or a monopoly, and at that stage... there is no incentive left for the gods to improve. It is choosing the only game in town. </p><p></p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is not supported by the story of Cyric and Kelemvor.</p><p></p><p>"During the process, Adon (Kelemvor and Mystra's mutual friend, as well the patriarch of Mystra's new church) was driven mad by Cyric's trickery, losing his faith in Mystra, and had died a faithless soul. Mystra came to Kelemvor and asked for Adon's soul, which Kelemvor steadfastly refused since Adon was now one of the Faithless, or perhaps even the False. This, along with Kelemvor's loss of passion, eventually caused the breaking up of their relationship."</p><p></p><p>The Faithless are not those that have done nothing with their lives, they are those who do not worship the Gods. And Kelemvor in his role as judge is supposed to shove them in the wall, even if they spent most of their life worshipping the gods and were just driven mad by another god in the process.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8121126, member: 6801228"] I remember seeing it in one of the linked texts from the Wiki, but I have not been able to find it again. The Wiki does credit him though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I think you are missing a key element here. Mortals have no option to choose none of the above. They have no way to pressure all of the gods. They need to worship a god, any god, and so they will pick "the best of the worst" and there is no incentive for that God to change their ways to become better. And, over time, AO's system creates either an Oligarchy (if a group of gods can cooperate) or a monopoly, and at that stage... there is no incentive left for the gods to improve. It is choosing the only game in town. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is not supported by the story of Cyric and Kelemvor. "During the process, Adon (Kelemvor and Mystra's mutual friend, as well the patriarch of Mystra's new church) was driven mad by Cyric's trickery, losing his faith in Mystra, and had died a faithless soul. Mystra came to Kelemvor and asked for Adon's soul, which Kelemvor steadfastly refused since Adon was now one of the Faithless, or perhaps even the False. This, along with Kelemvor's loss of passion, eventually caused the breaking up of their relationship." The Faithless are not those that have done nothing with their lives, they are those who do not worship the Gods. And Kelemvor in his role as judge is supposed to shove them in the wall, even if they spent most of their life worshipping the gods and were just driven mad by another god in the process. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
[Dragonlance/Faerun] Anyone here met any Cataclysm/Wall of the Faithless defenders?
Top