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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8612628" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Very understandable re: ruining your appetite. </p><p></p><p>White Wolf, of all things, are why I know much about Moorcock. In the mid through late '90s they republished virtually all of Moorcock's stuff via their literary arm (and yeah it is the same people as World of Darkness etc.) into nice collections with handsome covers. But I don't think those started coming out until like '93 or '94.</p><p></p><p>I think I was lucky to read The War of the Lance at 12-13 (after having become aware of the DL setting), and even then I was detecting some issues with it, and I preferred the other DL novels. I tried to re-read it at 18/19 and yeah, as with you, found it actually unreadable by then. Drizzt I also read mostly aged 12-16, and was never particularly impressed by, but my friend kept buying the books and handing them to me after he read them, so like, free books. They're not as technically bad, but even as older teenagers we generally agreed that apart from the fight scenes, which Salvatore was decent at, they weren't great. I remember having a lot of very specific criticism I have long since forgotten! I'm utterly terrified to ever re-read a book I really enjoyed at 12 from Krynn, Galen Beknighted, which was about a young and somewhat reluctant/lazy Solamnic Knight. I'm sure it's probably awful but I totally loved it lol.</p><p></p><p>In general I think fantasy/SF, in part as a result of merchanised/IP-based fantasy/SF being very succesful, and in part because Tolkien's influence was so strong - far stronger than now - but so few writers could match him, was having something of a nadir in the late '80s and early '90s. A wonderful BBC documentary on the history of fantasy (sadly extremely hard to track down, I'd love to get it on DVD) from the '00s, which features interviews with all sort of fantasy luminaries (including China Mieville) and historians mentioned the '80s particularly as the era of what was termed "Extruded Fantasy Product", which seems fair (basically endless same-y sub-Tolkien drivel, most of which is long-forgotten now). Things improved somewhat as the '90s progressed.</p><p></p><p>I do think there are some "excessively generic" or tail-eating issues with fantasy now, particularly "Teenage girl magical assassin pygmalion" sub-genre that's emerged, but the average standard of writing is a lot higher at least.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8612628, member: 18"] Very understandable re: ruining your appetite. White Wolf, of all things, are why I know much about Moorcock. In the mid through late '90s they republished virtually all of Moorcock's stuff via their literary arm (and yeah it is the same people as World of Darkness etc.) into nice collections with handsome covers. But I don't think those started coming out until like '93 or '94. I think I was lucky to read The War of the Lance at 12-13 (after having become aware of the DL setting), and even then I was detecting some issues with it, and I preferred the other DL novels. I tried to re-read it at 18/19 and yeah, as with you, found it actually unreadable by then. Drizzt I also read mostly aged 12-16, and was never particularly impressed by, but my friend kept buying the books and handing them to me after he read them, so like, free books. They're not as technically bad, but even as older teenagers we generally agreed that apart from the fight scenes, which Salvatore was decent at, they weren't great. I remember having a lot of very specific criticism I have long since forgotten! I'm utterly terrified to ever re-read a book I really enjoyed at 12 from Krynn, Galen Beknighted, which was about a young and somewhat reluctant/lazy Solamnic Knight. I'm sure it's probably awful but I totally loved it lol. In general I think fantasy/SF, in part as a result of merchanised/IP-based fantasy/SF being very succesful, and in part because Tolkien's influence was so strong - far stronger than now - but so few writers could match him, was having something of a nadir in the late '80s and early '90s. A wonderful BBC documentary on the history of fantasy (sadly extremely hard to track down, I'd love to get it on DVD) from the '00s, which features interviews with all sort of fantasy luminaries (including China Mieville) and historians mentioned the '80s particularly as the era of what was termed "Extruded Fantasy Product", which seems fair (basically endless same-y sub-Tolkien drivel, most of which is long-forgotten now). Things improved somewhat as the '90s progressed. I do think there are some "excessively generic" or tail-eating issues with fantasy now, particularly "Teenage girl magical assassin pygmalion" sub-genre that's emerged, but the average standard of writing is a lot higher at least. [/QUOTE]
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