Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dire Bare" data-source="post: 8346149" data-attributes="member: 18182">I'm now reading Chapter 2 on organizations, which uses the factions, rank, and renown rules from the DMG . . .<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Overall, I'm impressed! The fluff write-ups do a good job giving you a feel for each organization.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Knights of Takhisis/Neraka: Your rank/renown is separate from which order you belong to (Lily, Skull, Thorn) and there is no "Dark Knight" subclass . . . which is all good! There is a cleric domain for skull knights and a specialized archer martial archetype for a group within the lily knights. That's it! There are suggested classes for each order within the knighthood. I really like how this is set up. Not much on how thorn knights interact with the orders of high sorcery . . .</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Knights of Solamnia: Like the dark knights, your rank/renown is separate from your chosen order (Crown, Sword, Rose). However, there is a "Solamnic Knight" martial archetype with three sets of abilities dependent on your order. I don't like this, I'd rather it be handled more like the dark knights. Also, when you first join the Solamnic knights, you can choose any order . . . classic knights had to first advance as crown knights, then choose to remain crown knights or advance as sword knights, then again choose to remain as sword knights or advance as rose knights. This advancement scheme was confusing to me in middle school, but it's not dissimilar to how real world masonic orders advance in degrees within their various orders. Did this change in the official lore at some point?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The solamnics have a "Kingfisher" wizard tradition, a white robe auxiliary order allied to the knights. I love the concept! I'd like to see an equivalent wizard tradition for the dark thorn knights!</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Legion of Steel: the "neutral" order of knights, sorta. I've never really like this organization, nor the Chaos War storyline they sprang from. They seem redundant with the Solamnic Knights. The organization presented here seems rather uninteresting, and there is a Legion Scout ranger conclave that might work well as a Solamnic auxiliary . . .</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wizards of High Sorcery: Heh, one of the downsides to how DL and D&D have evolved over the decades is the now confusion between "high sorcery" (order-approved wizardry) and "primal sorcery" (the sorcerer class). Anyway, again, which wizardly order you join (White, Red, Black) is separate from your rank/renown and your class/subclass (wizard only, no warlocks or sorcerers). There is no "high sorcery" wizard tradition. I like this! However, as you gain rank/renown, you learn secrets of your given order, which is neat. There are some wizard traditions presented that are associated with the orders, like Dark Dwarf Savant, Dreamshaper, Griffon Wizard, Renegade Hunter, Sea Mage, and Winternorn. Neat!</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Holy Orders of the Stars: Nothing on the various clerical orders!!! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></li> </ul></blockquote>

Verification