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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9441321" data-attributes="member: 18">That's precisely the problem.This 2024, not 1994. In 2024, you need to acknowledge, as a designer, that a god who is a wanker is a wanker. In 1994, maybe you could be excused for not realizing that, but it ain't 30 years ago.The gods the heroes align with.He was pretty clear about that, including PC classes in his examples of people who worship the Physical Labour god and the Knowledge Gestapo god.Whereas Nekros, the god of tyranny, specifically might-makes-right, was clearly described as villainous and subversive, and Matt talked about how his worshippers pretend to be worshippers of physical labour god, and so on, and thus was an evil cult the PCs would root out etc.But it seems to me that we're much more likely to see the Knowledge Gestapo assassinating people and rounding people up and killing them for weakening the power or knowledge (or brutally punishing people who spread knowledge), or the Physical Labour guys deciding that all these book learnin' guys couldn't be trusted and needed to be run out of town or just killed or whatever. Like, day-to-day, these "normal" gods will be worse than the evil ones!We didn't really hear anything about what good either "normal" god did for society, and in neither case was it obvious. Like, does Physical Labour god organise barn-raisings for people who can't do it themselves? A more positive version of him might, but one who distrusts and devalues anyone who isn't keen on/capable of physical labour seems very unlikely to do that. Does Knowledge Gestapo god make sure "the right people" know things to help society? Which would be a bit illuminati but potentially not-evil at least (just controlling). Absolutely no evidence of or reference to that, just to how opposed that god is to people knowing facts or methods, and how his worshippers actively blame too many people knowing stuff for structures/items/etc. failing.This is why I was asking, has he thought this through, or is this a failure of perspective? Because it'd be easy enough to make a positive version of Physical Labour god. It'd be pretty hard but not impossible to make a positive version of Knowledge Gestapo god. But Matt purely focused on what their worshippers value and how they act, and none of the examples he gave had any positivity to them. Maybe he just enjoys negative examples? But it was weird.</blockquote>

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