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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9442053" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I'm well aware.</p><p></p><p>You should watch to the stream.</p><p></p><p>And yet they sometimes have been, historically (and even in the present day), and once that starts, things tend to go downhill rapidly. Just look at Victorian-era workhouses and attendant attitudes.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Also not a good thing that leads to good places. Particularly as a <em>religious</em> tenet. At least cultural beliefs tend to be only so strong because they're culture, but once you add the force of religion to a belief like that, you're absolutely on the road to Pol Pot-type stuff, or at the very least the same attitudes that lead to the worst excesses of Victorian workhouses and their like.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It could be - or not - historical trial by combat <strong>did not</strong> generally allow champions except in civil cases and even then only for certain people, note. Instead you sometimes got people just forced into obviously unfair situations (most of the time) and/or bizarre handicaps were used (this kind of seems to have been 1500s/1600s thing).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Note that infirm of body is a pretty high bar - someone who was just short or weak isn't "infirm".</p><p></p><p>Here's a quote for you from the Wikipedia article on trial by combat btw:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So let's abandon any silly ideas that people all got cool Game of Thrones-style champions to fight for them, shall we? Most people just got put in unfair situations.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9442053, member: 18"] I'm well aware. You should watch to the stream. And yet they sometimes have been, historically (and even in the present day), and once that starts, things tend to go downhill rapidly. Just look at Victorian-era workhouses and attendant attitudes. Also not a good thing that leads to good places. Particularly as a [I]religious[/I] tenet. At least cultural beliefs tend to be only so strong because they're culture, but once you add the force of religion to a belief like that, you're absolutely on the road to Pol Pot-type stuff, or at the very least the same attitudes that lead to the worst excesses of Victorian workhouses and their like. It could be - or not - historical trial by combat [B]did not[/B] generally allow champions except in civil cases and even then only for certain people, note. Instead you sometimes got people just forced into obviously unfair situations (most of the time) and/or bizarre handicaps were used (this kind of seems to have been 1500s/1600s thing). Note that infirm of body is a pretty high bar - someone who was just short or weak isn't "infirm". Here's a quote for you from the Wikipedia article on trial by combat btw: So let's abandon any silly ideas that people all got cool Game of Thrones-style champions to fight for them, shall we? Most people just got put in unfair situations. [/QUOTE]
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