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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crewgar" data-source="post: 6349949" data-attributes="member: 6778025">Hello everyone, I've seen this debate on a few older forums, but it seems to largely come down to how you see it in the first place. Also all the threads were really old and I didn't want to do thread necromancy, so I figured I'd ask again. I also saw the old threads here where Mousefaratu said that he was the one who wrote the class, so thought you might provide an interesting take on it if you were interested (and if you see this <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ).First of all I think it's a really cool class thematically, and I've created an interesting High Priestess of Hel NPC using it and the Dread Necromancer.Anyway, the question is that the 4th level ability Greater Mastery of Terror which as part of it's ability says: "In addition, your fear spells are now so potent that they can even affect individuals normally immune to fear, such as paladins, although the subject still gets a saving throw to resist the spell's effect. Only a target who's HD exceeds your caster level by 4 or more is immune to your mastery of terror."Would a character who's immune to Mind Affecting abilities, say from the Mind Blank Spell or other similar abilities still be immune? Or would the fact that the ability allows you to "affect individuals normally immune to fear" (and being immune to mind affecting makes you immune to fear effects or at least spells with both discriptors). I've seen some people argue yes, and others argue that no it only bypasses the lesser immunity the specific "immune to fear" that some things has (like the Paladins in the example).I'm still building the NPC regardless, as it's the concept that I'm going for, but one of the characters in the party is regularly immune to mind affecting effects, so I'm asking to have some reasons to present as to why I'm ruling that it does, or doesn't affect the character. We like to try and avoid 'because I said so' arguments, even from me as the DM, so I like to at least have a logical backing for judgements, though when we do get two equally valid arguments (or equally valid in my opinion at least), then I do fall back on picking the one I like. Only problem here is I see the logic on both sides <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />So if people didn't mind weighing in that would be really appreciated! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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