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<blockquote data-quote="tunafish" data-source="post: 6086987" data-attributes="member: 6705529">you haven't completely read the 1e GameMaster's Guide. Gygax made it clear there in the GM Tips section that the game could be clearly COMPLETE from a RP aspect, depending on the DM. some people see his words as &quot;adversarial&quot; and &quot;simulationist&quot;, but even as a teen, I saw the deeper aspect of what he wrote. D&amp;D is a game meant to be tactical, using the talents of the Fighter, Thief, Cleric &amp; Magic-User RESPECTIVELY as each encounter required. one character wasn't meant to dominate any scene. it required teamwork and a sense of the greater GROUP dynamic. that by itself touches what you want. based on what your DM &amp; group wanted, you can easily include Narrative and Gamist aspects that satisfy all players. it really boils down to your DM &amp; what kind of adventure or campaign is being run. to say, &quot;D&amp;D doesn't offer thus &amp; so&quot; is limited only by what your group is playing. at age 15, i ran games that included all those elements, because i had players that wanted to visit Narrative, Simulationist and Gamist elements. any DM/GM can drive Story over Players - thinking D&amp;D is exclusive of this is wrong-headed. A GM or group that's Story-driven can foil any desire for a Player-centered game. at any time. even a GM-less game like Capes or Fiasco or Polaris can fall to Story if the players run it that way.personally, i think the story IS the characters - not just the PCs, but the NPCs, as they shape and curve the story around the main characters vision. it's how the GM/DM has fun: interweaving his or her NPCs into the PCs actions to create a shared event that rolls across hours of interaction. Unpredictability &amp; passion shape the face of good games. D&amp;D offer this if you have the right group of participants. Hope this helps.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tunafish, post: 6086987, member: 6705529"] you haven't completely read the 1e GameMaster's Guide. Gygax made it clear there in the GM Tips section that the game could be clearly COMPLETE from a RP aspect, depending on the DM. some people see his words as "adversarial" and "simulationist", but even as a teen, I saw the deeper aspect of what he wrote. D&D is a game meant to be tactical, using the talents of the Fighter, Thief, Cleric & Magic-User RESPECTIVELY as each encounter required. one character wasn't meant to dominate any scene. it required teamwork and a sense of the greater GROUP dynamic. that by itself touches what you want. based on what your DM & group wanted, you can easily include Narrative and Gamist aspects that satisfy all players. it really boils down to your DM & what kind of adventure or campaign is being run. to say, "D&D doesn't offer thus & so" is limited only by what your group is playing. at age 15, i ran games that included all those elements, because i had players that wanted to visit Narrative, Simulationist and Gamist elements. any DM/GM can drive Story over Players - thinking D&D is exclusive of this is wrong-headed. A GM or group that's Story-driven can foil any desire for a Player-centered game. at any time. even a GM-less game like Capes or Fiasco or Polaris can fall to Story if the players run it that way. personally, i think the story IS the characters - not just the PCs, but the NPCs, as they shape and curve the story around the main characters vision. it's how the GM/DM has fun: interweaving his or her NPCs into the PCs actions to create a shared event that rolls across hours of interaction. Unpredictability & passion shape the face of good games. D&D offer this if you have the right group of participants. Hope this helps. [/QUOTE]

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