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<blockquote data-quote="rounser" data-source="post: 5793718" data-attributes="member: 1106">From what I've seen of the results, approaching design from a metagame perspective and trying to kludge on archetypes/&quot;fluff&quot; as an afterthought is likely to result in gamist dross that is at risk of disappearing up it's own behind and mapping to little in even a fantasy reality.That's what you're in danger of doing here.&nbsp; And in doing so, you completely remove the reason for playing D&amp;D to begin with, which is suspension of disbelief for playing in a fantasy world. Simple example - I want to play a wizard, and already you've complicated that with jargon nonsense so he's no longer a Wizard, but a Wizard-Explorer.&nbsp; Not a good start.&nbsp; Then you toss fantasy archetypes out the window because they'd play better this way, and pretty soon you're in 4E territory, inventing healing surges.&nbsp; Nuh uh, we've been there and seen what's down that path; no more please.&nbsp; Or at least don't put it under the name &quot;D&amp;D&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rounser, post: 5793718, member: 1106"] From what I've seen of the results, approaching design from a metagame perspective and trying to kludge on archetypes/"fluff" as an afterthought is likely to result in gamist dross that is at risk of disappearing up it's own behind and mapping to little in even a fantasy reality. That's what you're in danger of doing here. And in doing so, you completely remove the reason for playing D&D to begin with, which is suspension of disbelief for playing in a fantasy world. Simple example - I want to play a wizard, and already you've complicated that with jargon nonsense so he's no longer a Wizard, but a Wizard-Explorer. Not a good start. Then you toss fantasy archetypes out the window because they'd play better [I]this[/I] way, and pretty soon you're in 4E territory, inventing healing surges. Nuh uh, we've been there and seen what's down that path; no more please. Or at least don't put it under the name "D&D". [/QUOTE]

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