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<blockquote data-quote="wildstarsreach" data-source="post: 3291965" data-attributes="member: 43141">+2 Will saves+2 Int, +1 on Int-based checks+2 Chr, +1 on Cha-based checks120' DarkvisionDancing Lights, Darkness and Faerie Fire 1/daySR 11+Class levelsLight BlindnessAll else that you pointed out which is underlined is already included in an LA +0 race and should not be considered for argument here.&nbsp; To get these bonuses you would have to have the following.&nbsp; A +2 to will saves is equal to a feat.&nbsp; (Iron Will)&nbsp; A +2 to Int is equal to 2 epic feats increasing Int and the extra skill point per level you get.&nbsp; Same for Charisma.&nbsp; In addition, either of these stats add additional spells if a sorcerer/bard/wizard or other spellcaster that depends on them.Dark Vision os easily worth a feat.&nbsp; This allows so much for a thieving characters.Each at will ability though weak is still a feat.&nbsp; That's three feats there.&nbsp; SR, people say that this is worthless.&nbsp; I disagree.&nbsp; It still gives one additional defense against spells.&nbsp; Still if it only works 20% of the time, that is still 1 in 5 spells that flat out didn;t work.&nbsp; This is easily worth at least 2 feats.&nbsp; And yes, this is taking into account that you have to use a standard action to lower you SR for healing or other beneficial spells.&nbsp; Light Blindness means that you spend one feat to eliminate it.In effect you get the net benefit of 4 epic feats and 6 feats.&nbsp; That this isn't worth at the most an LA +2.&nbsp; It is a weak LA+2 but still an LA +2.&nbsp; I still think that a change of +2 to Int and Cha if it is changed to either a +2 to to one stat only would make this a solid and strong LA +1.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wildstarsreach, post: 3291965, member: 43141"] +2 Will saves +2 Int, +1 on Int-based checks +2 Chr, +1 on Cha-based checks 120' Darkvision Dancing Lights, Darkness and Faerie Fire 1/day SR 11+Class levels Light Blindness All else that you pointed out which is underlined is already included in an LA +0 race and should not be considered for argument here. To get these bonuses you would have to have the following. A +2 to will saves is equal to a feat. (Iron Will) A +2 to Int is equal to 2 epic feats increasing Int and the extra skill point per level you get. Same for Charisma. In addition, either of these stats add additional spells if a sorcerer/bard/wizard or other spellcaster that depends on them. Dark Vision os easily worth a feat. This allows so much for a thieving characters. Each at will ability though weak is still a feat. That's three feats there. SR, people say that this is worthless. I disagree. It still gives one additional defense against spells. Still if it only works 20% of the time, that is still 1 in 5 spells that flat out didn;t work. This is easily worth at least 2 feats. And yes, this is taking into account that you have to use a standard action to lower you SR for healing or other beneficial spells. Light Blindness means that you spend one feat to eliminate it. In effect you get the net benefit of 4 epic feats and 6 feats. That this isn't worth at the most an LA +2. It is a weak LA+2 but still an LA +2. I still think that a change of +2 to Int and Cha if it is changed to either a +2 to to one stat only would make this a solid and strong LA +1. [/QUOTE]

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