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<blockquote data-quote="Votan" data-source="post: 3294800" data-attributes="member: 18680">Fun is, admittedly, a strong argument.&nbsp; However, the last part of your quote says it all: being 2 HD behind isn't worth it.&nbsp; What is ironic, is that the Drow can be useful at high levels (the levels that we see them in novels and adventures) but are nearly hopelessly weak at low levels.&nbsp; I like to consider a game at level 3 (levels 1 and 2 being a mite problematic).&nbsp; This would be the moment that a Drow was maximally disadvantaged -- and boy are they!&nbsp; I know of no class that can survive being 1st level with these attributes.&nbsp; But part of it is that Drow are designed to be wizards and clerics; the game heavily penalizes large LA for these classes.&nbsp; Given this, I'd be very tempted to make them strong +1 LA.&nbsp; The only element that is dangerous is the SR -- this can matter a lot in some games but very little in others.&nbsp; In fact, I might propose it is a lot of the reason for disagreement.&nbsp; If spells that are affected by SR are rare challenges then the Drow (already a weak +2 LA choice given that the Asimar exists) is really gimped.&nbsp; If fireballs fly frequently and often (and people do not metagame &quot;It's a Drow, it has SR&quot;) then the SR might make the Drow seem approximately LA +2 (although the Monk does it better).&nbsp; But I incline towards the rules, as written and applied to iconic Drow, are a bit on the weak side compared to other LA choices.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Votan, post: 3294800, member: 18680"] Fun is, admittedly, a strong argument. However, the last part of your quote says it all: being 2 HD behind isn't worth it. What is ironic, is that the Drow can be useful at high levels (the levels that we see them in novels and adventures) but are nearly hopelessly weak at low levels. I like to consider a game at level 3 (levels 1 and 2 being a mite problematic). This would be the moment that a Drow was maximally disadvantaged -- and boy are they! I know of no class that can survive being 1st level with these attributes. But part of it is that Drow are designed to be wizards and clerics; the game heavily penalizes large LA for these classes. Given this, I'd be very tempted to make them strong +1 LA. The only element that is dangerous is the SR -- this can matter a lot in some games but very little in others. In fact, I might propose it is a lot of the reason for disagreement. If spells that are affected by SR are rare challenges then the Drow (already a weak +2 LA choice given that the Asimar exists) is really gimped. If fireballs fly frequently and often (and people do not metagame "It's a Drow, it has SR") then the SR might make the Drow seem approximately LA +2 (although the Monk does it better). But I incline towards the rules, as written and applied to iconic Drow, are a bit on the weak side compared to other LA choices. [/QUOTE]

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