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<blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 6372808" data-attributes="member: 1879">Any 20th level Cleric, Sorcerer or Wizard can dispose of the Tarrasque in 1 round by opening a Gate under his feet and dropping him down the side of the infinite mountain that is Gehenna. (You may need to shrink him first.)A Pit Fiend is vulnerable to a one round fight from a failed save vs banishment and that's only a 4th level spell. Heck a Planar Binding will make him you lackey for a year and a day out of a 9th level slot. The point is that fights against a single boss monster are simply not how you challenge high level D&amp;D parties. A better question might be, can I use a 20th level Druid as a Boss monster for a lower level Party without a certainty of a TPK? The answer is yes. Whittle his animal form down a bit and a simple sleep spell will drop him with no save. Running a campaign for High level characters is very tricky, and we simply don't know enough about 5e yet, without the MM and DMG to say if the Mooncircle Druid is a campaign wrecker or not. My inclination is no. Or at least not because he can turn into infinite Mammoths. His buddy who can open a Gate to anywhere and whistle up an army of outsiders is probably a bigger problem.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Andor, post: 6372808, member: 1879"] Any 20th level Cleric, Sorcerer or Wizard can dispose of the Tarrasque in 1 round by opening a Gate under his feet and dropping him down the side of the infinite mountain that is Gehenna. (You may need to shrink him first.) A Pit Fiend is vulnerable to a one round fight from a failed save vs banishment and that's only a 4th level spell. Heck a Planar Binding will make him you lackey for a year and a day out of a 9th level slot. The point is that fights against a single boss monster are simply not how you challenge high level D&D parties. A better question might be, can I use a 20th level Druid as a Boss monster for a lower level Party without a certainty of a TPK? The answer is yes. Whittle his animal form down a bit and a simple sleep spell will drop him with no save. Running a campaign for High level characters is very tricky, and we simply don't know enough about 5e yet, without the MM and DMG to say if the Mooncircle Druid is a campaign wrecker or not. My inclination is no. Or at least not because he can turn into infinite Mammoths. His buddy who can open a Gate to anywhere and whistle up an army of outsiders is probably a bigger problem. [/QUOTE]

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