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<blockquote data-quote="Phasics" data-source="post: 4128598" data-attributes="member: 38866"><p>I offer this as an alternative to summon nature's ally for a PHB II shapeshifter Druid,</p><p></p><p>why ?</p><p></p><p>well the class already lacks an animal companion so I figure why not take it one step further and reduce the micro managment further to a point in line with other classes,</p><p></p><p>Ok so what are we talking about here</p><p></p><p>Player Handbook II</p><p>Druid </p><p>Shapeshifter Varient</p><p></p><p>Key Features</p><p>Gains Shapeshift at 1st level , loses animal companion</p><p></p><p>my addition</p><p>Gain additional shapeshift forms, loses the ability to cast any summon nature's ally</p><p></p><p>Mechanics Basing this on the first few levels</p><p>Already gets</p><p></p><p>Predator Form 1st level</p><p>Medium</p><p>+4 natural armor</p><p>+4 Strength</p><p>Bite 1d6 dmg</p><p>speed 50ft</p><p></p><p>Additonal forms offer verstailtiy that sumon nature ally would offer but without the extra management</p><p></p><p>Scavenger [[based on Dire rat]] 1st level</p><p>Small</p><p>+1 AC size, +6 Dex, +1 natural armor</p><p>Bite 1d4</p><p>speed 40ft</p><p>climb 20ft</p><p>Skill bonus +8 climb , +8 swim</p><p></p><p>Winged Scout [[based on eagle]] 1st level</p><p>Small</p><p>+1AC size, +4 Dex, +1 Natural armor</p><p>Talons 1d4</p><p>Speed 10ft</p><p>Fly 50ft (avg)</p><p>Skill Spot +8</p><p></p><p>((imo tiny form are not appropriate for 1st level, neither are the water breathing pure aquatic forms))</p><p></p><p>Druid get summon nature ally II at level 3, therefore gets these forms at level 3</p><p></p><p>Vicious Burrower [[based on dire badger]] 3rd level</p><p>Medium</p><p>+4 Strength, +4 Natural armor (gave str instead of dex more balanced imho) </p><p>Claw 1d4 (less than predator)</p><p>Speed 30ft</p><p>Burrow 10ft</p><p>Skills none</p><p></p><p>Dire Predator ( a small die upgrade for the single attack predator) 3rd level</p><p>Medium</p><p>+4 Strength, +4 Natural armor </p><p>Bite 1d8</p><p>Speed 50ft</p><p>Skills none</p><p></p><p>[[[I considered putting a small elemental form in here but I think that would be too much))</p><p></p><p>5th Level Druid gets Arial from as part of PHB 2</p><p>Arial Form</p><p>+2 STR +2 reflex +2 natural armor</p><p>1d6 talon attack</p><p>Speed 10ft</p><p>Fly 40ft (good)</p><p></p><p>and extra forms from list Summon Natures Ally 3</p><p></p><p>Ape</p><p>Medium</p><p>+6 STR +4 natural armor</p><p>Slam 1d6</p><p>Speed 30</p><p>Climb 30</p><p>Skill +8 Climb</p><p></p><p>Constrictor</p><p>Medium</p><p>+4 STR +3 Natural armor</p><p>Bite 1d3 OR Constrict 1d3 ( dmg done on a successful grapple plus STR mod)</p><p>Speed 20ft</p><p>Climb 20ft</p><p>Swim 20ft</p><p>Skill + 8 to grapple check</p><p></p><p>NB while in this form player does not benefit from improved grapple unless he has this feat through his normal feat selection thus does provoke AOO.</p><p></p><p>Level 7 (and so on using the next PHB 2 form as a guide of max dmg)</p><p></p><p>All the forms fall under the same rules for shapeshifting , as a swift action no limit per day.</p><p></p><p>Strictly speaking the forms get none of the supernatural abilities expect where it makes sense e.g. the constrictor big muscle snake gets its constrict ability because of its physical form, unlike a badgers rage ability which I did not allow.</p><p></p><p>How does that sound for giving this variant a bit more flavor while being balanced ? I mean compare this to a druid with an animal companion and summoned natures ally and see if its reasonable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Phasics, post: 4128598, member: 38866"] I offer this as an alternative to summon nature's ally for a PHB II shapeshifter Druid, why ? well the class already lacks an animal companion so I figure why not take it one step further and reduce the micro managment further to a point in line with other classes, Ok so what are we talking about here Player Handbook II Druid Shapeshifter Varient Key Features Gains Shapeshift at 1st level , loses animal companion my addition Gain additional shapeshift forms, loses the ability to cast any summon nature's ally Mechanics Basing this on the first few levels Already gets Predator Form 1st level Medium +4 natural armor +4 Strength Bite 1d6 dmg speed 50ft Additonal forms offer verstailtiy that sumon nature ally would offer but without the extra management Scavenger [[based on Dire rat]] 1st level Small +1 AC size, +6 Dex, +1 natural armor Bite 1d4 speed 40ft climb 20ft Skill bonus +8 climb , +8 swim Winged Scout [[based on eagle]] 1st level Small +1AC size, +4 Dex, +1 Natural armor Talons 1d4 Speed 10ft Fly 50ft (avg) Skill Spot +8 ((imo tiny form are not appropriate for 1st level, neither are the water breathing pure aquatic forms)) Druid get summon nature ally II at level 3, therefore gets these forms at level 3 Vicious Burrower [[based on dire badger]] 3rd level Medium +4 Strength, +4 Natural armor (gave str instead of dex more balanced imho) Claw 1d4 (less than predator) Speed 30ft Burrow 10ft Skills none Dire Predator ( a small die upgrade for the single attack predator) 3rd level Medium +4 Strength, +4 Natural armor Bite 1d8 Speed 50ft Skills none [[[I considered putting a small elemental form in here but I think that would be too much)) 5th Level Druid gets Arial from as part of PHB 2 Arial Form +2 STR +2 reflex +2 natural armor 1d6 talon attack Speed 10ft Fly 40ft (good) and extra forms from list Summon Natures Ally 3 Ape Medium +6 STR +4 natural armor Slam 1d6 Speed 30 Climb 30 Skill +8 Climb Constrictor Medium +4 STR +3 Natural armor Bite 1d3 OR Constrict 1d3 ( dmg done on a successful grapple plus STR mod) Speed 20ft Climb 20ft Swim 20ft Skill + 8 to grapple check NB while in this form player does not benefit from improved grapple unless he has this feat through his normal feat selection thus does provoke AOO. Level 7 (and so on using the next PHB 2 form as a guide of max dmg) All the forms fall under the same rules for shapeshifting , as a swift action no limit per day. Strictly speaking the forms get none of the supernatural abilities expect where it makes sense e.g. the constrictor big muscle snake gets its constrict ability because of its physical form, unlike a badgers rage ability which I did not allow. How does that sound for giving this variant a bit more flavor while being balanced ? I mean compare this to a druid with an animal companion and summoned natures ally and see if its reasonable. [/QUOTE]
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